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	<title>Comments on: What&#8217;s under all those cars?: Broadway Specific Plan existing conditions meeting tonight</title>
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		<title>By: navigator</title>
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		<dc:creator>navigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 14:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any development of upper Broadway has to include high density housing,  large pedestrian plazas,  a huge tree covered landscaped park down the middle medium with benches, fountains, statues, ornamental street lighting, etc.

We have to make upper Broadway a pleasing residential and retail area connecting Rockridge to Downtown.  This upper Broadway area has the potential to be a great pedestrian friendly neighborhood.  The topography of the area is definitely conducive to walking and connecting the general populace to neighborhoods like Piedmont Ave.,  Adam&#039;s Point, Lake Merritt, Uptown, Temescal etc.

Unfortunately, to build anything in Oakland, California, or in the United States, takes a gargantuan effort at a glacial pace.  After returning from a two week visit to Portugal, it&#039;s incredibly disheartening to see how far behind we&#039;ve gotten as a Nation.  Lisbon is a wonderful modern city with amazing historic architecture huge closed off squares and pedestrian areas, great public transportation, clean streets etc.  However, they do pay heavy road tolls to maintain their awesome highway system.  People pay high road and gasoline taxes for the benefit of the whole.  Unfortunately, the right wingers in this Country have brainwashed the Nation into thinking the only rightful place for taxes is to keep us &quot;safe&quot; via a huge and wasteful military budget.  The end result is that we are rotting from within. 

Oakland has great potential, but I&#039;m not holding my breath.  I&#039;ve seen the glacial pace of development in Oakland for many years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any development of upper Broadway has to include high density housing,  large pedestrian plazas,  a huge tree covered landscaped park down the middle medium with benches, fountains, statues, ornamental street lighting, etc.</p>
<p>We have to make upper Broadway a pleasing residential and retail area connecting Rockridge to Downtown.  This upper Broadway area has the potential to be a great pedestrian friendly neighborhood.  The topography of the area is definitely conducive to walking and connecting the general populace to neighborhoods like Piedmont Ave.,  Adam&#8217;s Point, Lake Merritt, Uptown, Temescal etc.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, to build anything in Oakland, California, or in the United States, takes a gargantuan effort at a glacial pace.  After returning from a two week visit to Portugal, it&#8217;s incredibly disheartening to see how far behind we&#8217;ve gotten as a Nation.  Lisbon is a wonderful modern city with amazing historic architecture huge closed off squares and pedestrian areas, great public transportation, clean streets etc.  However, they do pay heavy road tolls to maintain their awesome highway system.  People pay high road and gasoline taxes for the benefit of the whole.  Unfortunately, the right wingers in this Country have brainwashed the Nation into thinking the only rightful place for taxes is to keep us &#8220;safe&#8221; via a huge and wasteful military budget.  The end result is that we are rotting from within. </p>
<p>Oakland has great potential, but I&#8217;m not holding my breath.  I&#8217;ve seen the glacial pace of development in Oakland for many years.</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi Schiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naomi Schiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Jul 2009 21:28:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a freeway exit from 580 eastbound onto Webster (unremarked above) that loops around, is underused, and drops you at Pill Hill/Broadway southbound. With some good coordination with CalTrans this could get a slight redesign and upgrade to be more useful and better signed. To escape downtown Oakland, take 27th and use North Gate access to freeway, which has large capacity and connects in all directions.

Downtown department stores at one time before some of us were sentient (or born), but into the 1970s:

Large buildings still standing:
Kahn&#039;s later Liberty House now the Rotunda
I. Magnin
Capwell&#039;s/Emporium/Sears
Roos Brothers (15th &amp; Broadway)

Demolished:
The Grey Shoppe (Broadway/20th, where nondescript grey office building stands amid parking lots) was a fabulous example of really good art deco, and I still grieve its demolition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a freeway exit from 580 eastbound onto Webster (unremarked above) that loops around, is underused, and drops you at Pill Hill/Broadway southbound. With some good coordination with CalTrans this could get a slight redesign and upgrade to be more useful and better signed. To escape downtown Oakland, take 27th and use North Gate access to freeway, which has large capacity and connects in all directions.</p>
<p>Downtown department stores at one time before some of us were sentient (or born), but into the 1970s:</p>
<p>Large buildings still standing:<br />
Kahn&#8217;s later Liberty House now the Rotunda<br />
I. Magnin<br />
Capwell&#8217;s/Emporium/Sears<br />
Roos Brothers (15th &amp; Broadway)</p>
<p>Demolished:<br />
The Grey Shoppe (Broadway/20th, where nondescript grey office building stands amid parking lots) was a fabulous example of really good art deco, and I still grieve its demolition.</p>
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		<title>By: livegreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>livegreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Gem.  Best looking Target I&#039;ve ever seen (that doesn&#039;t say much, but a step in the right direction).  That style or something adopted to work with it&#039;s surroundings would work for me.

From the photo of just that one example it&#039;s hard to see if there are other stores nearby.  I remain concerned about the affects on other retail (&amp; whether middle or upscale stores &amp; boutiques would be willing or reluctant to commit), but am open to it if examples can be given/shown.

After all there&#039;s no point to having a redevelopment area of just 1 store, or just big box retailers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Gem.  Best looking Target I&#8217;ve ever seen (that doesn&#8217;t say much, but a step in the right direction).  That style or something adopted to work with it&#8217;s surroundings would work for me.</p>
<p>From the photo of just that one example it&#8217;s hard to see if there are other stores nearby.  I remain concerned about the affects on other retail (&amp; whether middle or upscale stores &amp; boutiques would be willing or reluctant to commit), but am open to it if examples can be given/shown.</p>
<p>After all there&#8217;s no point to having a redevelopment area of just 1 store, or just big box retailers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gem s</title>
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		<dc:creator>gem s</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>livegreen, halfway down the page in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abetteroakland.com/help-plan-the-future-of-auto-row-this-thursday/2009-05-04#comments&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; this thread &lt;/a&gt; my comment (May 5th, 2:24)  has a link to a pic of the Minneapolis Target store. Target has been designing stores specifically for urban environments for awhile now.

If you want to continue to encourage suburban use patterns, you put big-box stores out on the outskirts where people are forced to drive and where land is cheap enough that no one insists that parking lots be underground or non-existent.  A true urban environment can handle large departments stores. The Rotunda Building, for example, was a giant department store.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>livegreen, halfway down the page in <a href="http://www.abetteroakland.com/help-plan-the-future-of-auto-row-this-thursday/2009-05-04#comments" rel="nofollow"> this thread </a> my comment (May 5th, 2:24)  has a link to a pic of the Minneapolis Target store. Target has been designing stores specifically for urban environments for awhile now.</p>
<p>If you want to continue to encourage suburban use patterns, you put big-box stores out on the outskirts where people are forced to drive and where land is cheap enough that no one insists that parking lots be underground or non-existent.  A true urban environment can handle large departments stores. The Rotunda Building, for example, was a giant department store.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 21:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Livegreen, the spam filter prevents me from posting links, but I have found a couple of articles where Target has redesigned their std bldg to make it work within the constraints of an urban setting. Not all retailers are willing to do this, but Target is and has found a way to make the economics work.  I&#039;ve also found an example where they have made a Kia corner work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Livegreen, the spam filter prevents me from posting links, but I have found a couple of articles where Target has redesigned their std bldg to make it work within the constraints of an urban setting. Not all retailers are willing to do this, but Target is and has found a way to make the economics work.  I&#8217;ve also found an example where they have made a Kia corner work.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>livegreen, i found this on the internetz, usual disclaimers apply

http://www.amiba.net/pressroom/urban_target_10.05.html

http://archrecord.construction.com/news/daily/archives/080529bigbox.asp

http://recenter.tamu.edu/pdf/1747.pdf (possible look for the Kia bldg)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>livegreen, i found this on the internetz, usual disclaimers apply</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amiba.net/pressroom/urban_target_10.05.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.amiba.net/pressroom/urban_target_10.05.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://archrecord.construction.com/news/daily/archives/080529bigbox.asp" rel="nofollow">http://archrecord.construction.com/news/daily/archives/080529bigbox.asp</a></p>
<p><a href="http://recenter.tamu.edu/pdf/1747.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://recenter.tamu.edu/pdf/1747.pdf</a> (possible look for the Kia bldg)</p>
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		<title>By: livegreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>livegreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 20:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Question: Target might plan their stores closer to downtowns but they still have the &quot;big box&quot; design.  That doesn&#039;t fit in at all on Broadway, esp. where there&#039;s been movement to preserve some of the older historical dealer buildings.  

Would Target be willing to use some of those, as in a step towards what Wholefoods did? (&amp; any examples of Target doing this) If not would that kill their prospects?

Personally I think their standard big box designs would fit better off the freeway or by itself off a major thoroughfare, not anchoring a multi-unit downtown complex (and would be f-ugly downtown, even if I agree it would be nice to have one).  

I&#039;m also concerned if any other stores or boutiques would want to locate near a discount store?  There are NONE of significance near Target Albany, Walmart Oakland, or Costco.  

Can a big box like Target be incorporated into a Berkeley style 4th St. or Walnut Creek style (just as general examples) or does one preclude the other?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Question: Target might plan their stores closer to downtowns but they still have the &#8220;big box&#8221; design.  That doesn&#8217;t fit in at all on Broadway, esp. where there&#8217;s been movement to preserve some of the older historical dealer buildings.  </p>
<p>Would Target be willing to use some of those, as in a step towards what Wholefoods did? (&amp; any examples of Target doing this) If not would that kill their prospects?</p>
<p>Personally I think their standard big box designs would fit better off the freeway or by itself off a major thoroughfare, not anchoring a multi-unit downtown complex (and would be f-ugly downtown, even if I agree it would be nice to have one).  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m also concerned if any other stores or boutiques would want to locate near a discount store?  There are NONE of significance near Target Albany, Walmart Oakland, or Costco.  </p>
<p>Can a big box like Target be incorporated into a Berkeley style 4th St. or Walnut Creek style (just as general examples) or does one preclude the other?</p>
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		<title>By: James Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 04:23:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ralph, you&#039;re expecting too much from Oakland. Planning 20 years ahead?  They can&#039;t even plan ahead to the next recession.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralph, you&#8217;re expecting too much from Oakland. Planning 20 years ahead?  They can&#8217;t even plan ahead to the next recession.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t get me wrong, definitely need to get the Broadway show on the road. I just hope the city has a vision for what is next. Years before I was born, the powers that be completed the Baltimore Beltway. Exits were consecutively numbered except when you hit 17 - 20. There was no 19. For years there was no 19 but it was planned that way as the powers that be knew that expansion would go west and when it did they knew they would need a road to take you there.Some 20 yrs after it was built we got our exit 19. Oakland would do well to have a similar foresight and visioning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t get me wrong, definitely need to get the Broadway show on the road. I just hope the city has a vision for what is next. Years before I was born, the powers that be completed the Baltimore Beltway. Exits were consecutively numbered except when you hit 17 &#8211; 20. There was no 19. For years there was no 19 but it was planned that way as the powers that be knew that expansion would go west and when it did they knew they would need a road to take you there.Some 20 yrs after it was built we got our exit 19. Oakland would do well to have a similar foresight and visioning.</p>
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		<title>By: Raymond</title>
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		<dc:creator>Raymond</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ralph, you make some good points, but the city does not need to have a strategy to address the areas to the west in order to &quot;make the B-way plan work&quot;.  Just get the plan in place and other nearby areas, in whatever direction, will take care of themselves.  A major problem with the city is that they always find another &quot;project&quot; to address and never seem to get the initial plan completed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralph, you make some good points, but the city does not need to have a strategy to address the areas to the west in order to &#8220;make the B-way plan work&#8221;.  Just get the plan in place and other nearby areas, in whatever direction, will take care of themselves.  A major problem with the city is that they always find another &#8220;project&#8221; to address and never seem to get the initial plan completed.</p>
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