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		<title>By: Naomi Schiff</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/we-may-be-reaching-the-end-of-the-city-walk-saga/2009-07-14#comment-240082</link>
		<dc:creator>Naomi Schiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:37:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By the way, absolutely not true that Bob Brokl is the only person who called the housing authority! I know personally of three people, including myself. Oakland Heritage Alliance was not objecting to the housing auth. plan, just trying to find out what it was, and to urge them to speak with community people to try to head off a conflict. I am certain others called as well. I didn&#039;t call the board, though, I called the administrative staff. The staff is probably not required to report each phone call to the board.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, absolutely not true that Bob Brokl is the only person who called the housing authority! I know personally of three people, including myself. Oakland Heritage Alliance was not objecting to the housing auth. plan, just trying to find out what it was, and to urge them to speak with community people to try to head off a conflict. I am certain others called as well. I didn&#8217;t call the board, though, I called the administrative staff. The staff is probably not required to report each phone call to the board.</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi Schiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naomi Schiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 16:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Demolition procedure is, approximately, and I&#039;m not expert: generally an administrative procedure, as you say, with the departmental approvals and review as required by whatever the controlling zoning and building regs. are. However, this project and other sizable projects often have Conditions of Approval which are part of the Planning Commission approvals. These are sometimes recommended and forwarded by staff, sometimes the result of negotiation with neighbors or community groups, sometimes attached by the commissioners after hearings on the project.

Condo projects are subdivisions and have more hoops to jump through than rental apartments with no subdivision plans. Projects subject to EIRs (there are a number of ways this can be triggered) may be subject to additional requirements, often called &quot;mitigations,&quot; in hopes of lessening environmental effects. This is more or less at the discretion of planning commission and city council, in the end.

In recent times both Oakland Heritage Alliance and staff have tried to attach conditions that connect demolition to actual steps toward doing the project, because we have seen too many cases of demolition followed by nothing.

Currently, the staff is drafting and commission will be reviewing a more comprehensive set of rules for demolition of historic resources. We have been hoping this will clarify things both for developers and for the community, so we don&#039;t have to expend so much energy negotiating on a case by case basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Demolition procedure is, approximately, and I&#8217;m not expert: generally an administrative procedure, as you say, with the departmental approvals and review as required by whatever the controlling zoning and building regs. are. However, this project and other sizable projects often have Conditions of Approval which are part of the Planning Commission approvals. These are sometimes recommended and forwarded by staff, sometimes the result of negotiation with neighbors or community groups, sometimes attached by the commissioners after hearings on the project.</p>
<p>Condo projects are subdivisions and have more hoops to jump through than rental apartments with no subdivision plans. Projects subject to EIRs (there are a number of ways this can be triggered) may be subject to additional requirements, often called &#8220;mitigations,&#8221; in hopes of lessening environmental effects. This is more or less at the discretion of planning commission and city council, in the end.</p>
<p>In recent times both Oakland Heritage Alliance and staff have tried to attach conditions that connect demolition to actual steps toward doing the project, because we have seen too many cases of demolition followed by nothing.</p>
<p>Currently, the staff is drafting and commission will be reviewing a more comprehensive set of rules for demolition of historic resources. We have been hoping this will clarify things both for developers and for the community, so we don&#8217;t have to expend so much energy negotiating on a case by case basis.</p>
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		<title>By: len</title>
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		<dc:creator>len</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 14:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NS, what are the rules/procedures for approving a demolition? normally, isn&#039;t it just a building dept approval of the safety of your demolition methods and inspection afterwards to make sure the land has been &quot;restored to it&#039;s original state&#039; eg big holes in the ground or debris? don&#039;t think there is even a grading requirement unless needed to restore the original contours to the lot.

In berkeley and sf you can&#039;t demo buildings over a certain size until you&#039;ve gotten approved plan for development?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NS, what are the rules/procedures for approving a demolition? normally, isn&#8217;t it just a building dept approval of the safety of your demolition methods and inspection afterwards to make sure the land has been &#8220;restored to it&#8217;s original state&#8217; eg big holes in the ground or debris? don&#8217;t think there is even a grading requirement unless needed to restore the original contours to the lot.</p>
<p>In berkeley and sf you can&#8217;t demo buildings over a certain size until you&#8217;ve gotten approved plan for development?</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi Schiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naomi Schiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 07:02:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People have been commenting on the Trammell Crow project for a couple of years. Courthouse Athletic Club was not a courthouse. It was for many years one of several funeral homes in the area. Several are still operating. Then for 2 or 3 decades, it was a popular athletic club. When the owners wanted to give up the business, they made the deal with Trammell Crow. The athletic club was much mourned, and a lot of people wanted to find a way to keep it going. But the owner thought he could do better by selling to TC (not sure how that is working out).

The old building does have some historic merit, and I believe a B rating in the city&#039;s historic survey. Some people advocated for incorporating it into project, which might have been feasible if seriously considered. TC was reluctant to do this kind of hybrid project, although the lot is certainly large enough. Much was made of &quot;toxics&quot; and that may have some basis. But the main argument TC made was that potential tenants might be creeped out that it had once been a funeral home--even though some very lively exercisers had been using the place for a long time.

Neighbors had concerns about having a tall blank parking garage podium abutting them, right on lot lines. There are some quite nice houses around there, and it is across the street from a historic church. So minor design modifications were made after some conversation with the immediate neighbors.

The Planning Commission required a contribution to the Facade Improvement Fund in mitigation for demolishing the old building, and required all permits to be paid for and approved before demolition could occur. A long string of agendized hearings were cancelled, as TC dragged out the process for months while the economy cratered. 

Subsequently TC made the deal with the housing authority. Now the housing authority says the deal is off. There was loud neighborhood opposition (some  neighbors would like to retain the old building and have a market-rate housing development incorporate it; some just want the market-rate housing). Many people suspect that once TC finally jumps through the various hoops,  the old building will be cleared away and we&#039;ll get: 
a) a vacant lot or 
b) housing authority will miraculously return with a housing project or maybe, possibly 
c) TC will build a bunch of condos, try to rent them for awhile and pray for the market to cheer up. 

It seems like really bad timing and quite possible that they will do something unexpected after this demolition occurs. Easy to imagine another twist in the story.

Oakland Heritage Alliance has repeatedly made the argument that TC  should seriously look into incorporating the old building, but we have not, I must admit, made the kind of intense effort that we expend on the most greatly valued edifices. 

We are very concerned, though, about the issue of premature demolition, for these reasons: a) it leads to vacant lots which become ugly or surface parking lots, and  b) can cause the needless loss of historically or otherwise valuable buildings, when the project gets cancelled or the proponent is financially weak. 

We don&#039;t feel Trammell Crow has been entirely clear about their intentions. We also feel that the Housing Authority did not take speak with and work with the community and neighbors when they could have, if they really wanted to prove that the new project would be better built, better run, and a better neighbor than some of the old terrible projects nearby. They have a reputation to overcome. 

I have the historic information on the building, if you want it, but am not going into it here as have gone on too long already. It is probably also available on the city&#039;s website from the LPAB and Planning Commission hearings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People have been commenting on the Trammell Crow project for a couple of years. Courthouse Athletic Club was not a courthouse. It was for many years one of several funeral homes in the area. Several are still operating. Then for 2 or 3 decades, it was a popular athletic club. When the owners wanted to give up the business, they made the deal with Trammell Crow. The athletic club was much mourned, and a lot of people wanted to find a way to keep it going. But the owner thought he could do better by selling to TC (not sure how that is working out).</p>
<p>The old building does have some historic merit, and I believe a B rating in the city&#8217;s historic survey. Some people advocated for incorporating it into project, which might have been feasible if seriously considered. TC was reluctant to do this kind of hybrid project, although the lot is certainly large enough. Much was made of &#8220;toxics&#8221; and that may have some basis. But the main argument TC made was that potential tenants might be creeped out that it had once been a funeral home&#8211;even though some very lively exercisers had been using the place for a long time.</p>
<p>Neighbors had concerns about having a tall blank parking garage podium abutting them, right on lot lines. There are some quite nice houses around there, and it is across the street from a historic church. So minor design modifications were made after some conversation with the immediate neighbors.</p>
<p>The Planning Commission required a contribution to the Facade Improvement Fund in mitigation for demolishing the old building, and required all permits to be paid for and approved before demolition could occur. A long string of agendized hearings were cancelled, as TC dragged out the process for months while the economy cratered. </p>
<p>Subsequently TC made the deal with the housing authority. Now the housing authority says the deal is off. There was loud neighborhood opposition (some  neighbors would like to retain the old building and have a market-rate housing development incorporate it; some just want the market-rate housing). Many people suspect that once TC finally jumps through the various hoops,  the old building will be cleared away and we&#8217;ll get:<br />
a) a vacant lot or<br />
b) housing authority will miraculously return with a housing project or maybe, possibly<br />
c) TC will build a bunch of condos, try to rent them for awhile and pray for the market to cheer up. </p>
<p>It seems like really bad timing and quite possible that they will do something unexpected after this demolition occurs. Easy to imagine another twist in the story.</p>
<p>Oakland Heritage Alliance has repeatedly made the argument that TC  should seriously look into incorporating the old building, but we have not, I must admit, made the kind of intense effort that we expend on the most greatly valued edifices. </p>
<p>We are very concerned, though, about the issue of premature demolition, for these reasons: a) it leads to vacant lots which become ugly or surface parking lots, and  b) can cause the needless loss of historically or otherwise valuable buildings, when the project gets cancelled or the proponent is financially weak. </p>
<p>We don&#8217;t feel Trammell Crow has been entirely clear about their intentions. We also feel that the Housing Authority did not take speak with and work with the community and neighbors when they could have, if they really wanted to prove that the new project would be better built, better run, and a better neighbor than some of the old terrible projects nearby. They have a reputation to overcome. </p>
<p>I have the historic information on the building, if you want it, but am not going into it here as have gone on too long already. It is probably also available on the city&#8217;s website from the LPAB and Planning Commission hearings.</p>
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		<title>By: len</title>
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		<dc:creator>len</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 04:25:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave B: have only seen the posting by brokl re the OHA goal for low income housing at The Courthouse. I emailed two of the OHA board members to confirm or deny that, and one board responded in effect that there&#039;s no reason for OHA to respond because only brokl seemed to be concerned.  I like that approach :)

Correct me if wrong, but my impression of the surrounding area is that it was clear cut of residents in the  late 50&#039;s and early 60&#039;s when the freeways went in and Pill Hill expanded. Other than the few residents of a few often chopped up exquisite single family homes left, and some interesting old apartment buildings, there just aren&#039;t enough residents to raise a stink about any historical preservation or design review or plan to bring more poor people in.

it is time and thought consuming to demand expanded EIR&#039;s, and question demolition permits.  Those permits get issued,  and once the asbestos clearances are ready, game over, fait accompli.

So does the Courthouse have official historical status, or pending or propose?

What&#039;s the background and  what are the issues? (what kind of courthouse was it and when?)

-len raphael
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave B: have only seen the posting by brokl re the OHA goal for low income housing at The Courthouse. I emailed two of the OHA board members to confirm or deny that, and one board responded in effect that there&#8217;s no reason for OHA to respond because only brokl seemed to be concerned.  I like that approach <img src='http://www.abetteroakland.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Correct me if wrong, but my impression of the surrounding area is that it was clear cut of residents in the  late 50&#8242;s and early 60&#8242;s when the freeways went in and Pill Hill expanded. Other than the few residents of a few often chopped up exquisite single family homes left, and some interesting old apartment buildings, there just aren&#8217;t enough residents to raise a stink about any historical preservation or design review or plan to bring more poor people in.</p>
<p>it is time and thought consuming to demand expanded EIR&#8217;s, and question demolition permits.  Those permits get issued,  and once the asbestos clearances are ready, game over, fait accompli.</p>
<p>So does the Courthouse have official historical status, or pending or propose?</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the background and  what are the issues? (what kind of courthouse was it and when?)</p>
<p>-len raphael<br />
temescal</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 02:55:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as they don&#039;t put low-income housing on the Courthouse site, I&#039;m happy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as they don&#8217;t put low-income housing on the Courthouse site, I&#8217;m happy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave B.</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/we-may-be-reaching-the-end-of-the-city-walk-saga/2009-07-14#comment-240069</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave B.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 00:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris K. My comment is quite related. City Walk was an underfunded project that resulted in an unfinished project, a project that turned out different that what was promised by the developers and has impacted the community. This was a project that was approved by this rubber stamp committee known as the Planning Commission which has proven doesn&#039;t do its homework. This is what is happening with Tramell Crow and it&#039;s Courthouse property on 30th &amp; Telegraph. I&#039;m trying to make people aware of this situation before this building is demolished and becomes a  different project than what the developer promised. Most likely, it will be a vacant lot. I&#039;m quite amazed that this story has not received greater coverage in the local press and other local blogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris K. My comment is quite related. City Walk was an underfunded project that resulted in an unfinished project, a project that turned out different that what was promised by the developers and has impacted the community. This was a project that was approved by this rubber stamp committee known as the Planning Commission which has proven doesn&#8217;t do its homework. This is what is happening with Tramell Crow and it&#8217;s Courthouse property on 30th &amp; Telegraph. I&#8217;m trying to make people aware of this situation before this building is demolished and becomes a  different project than what the developer promised. Most likely, it will be a vacant lot. I&#8217;m quite amazed that this story has not received greater coverage in the local press and other local blogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Hayden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hayden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 03:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As someone who spends days and many evenings in downtown Oakland, I&#039;d be happy to see City Walk completed (assuming the reported bad welding is brought up to standard).  It could help restaurants and cafes in the vicinity of Jefferson St. and might help reduce the post-Jerry Brown return of prostitutes to the MLK blocks between 14th and 16th.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As someone who spends days and many evenings in downtown Oakland, I&#8217;d be happy to see City Walk completed (assuming the reported bad welding is brought up to standard).  It could help restaurants and cafes in the vicinity of Jefferson St. and might help reduce the post-Jerry Brown return of prostitutes to the MLK blocks between 14th and 16th.</p>
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		<title>By: dave o</title>
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		<dc:creator>dave o</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 16:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been a home owner, apartment dweller, and squatter.  Squatting leaves all of your discretionary income for local restaurants, clubs, museums, transportation, and so on.  And you don&#039;t have to spend all of your time working just to keep a roof over your head.  If you are disciplined about how you go about it, keep a very low profile, and don&#039;t create the horrible social problems that many of the homeless people do, I would vote for squatting.

From the standpoint of someone rather enjoying the collapse of capitalism and the end of the folly and exploitation that these condos represent, City Walk stands as a monument to the end of capitalist domination of the economy.  Maybe the future holds greater connection to nature and fewer hierarchical and exploitative economic and social relationships between people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a home owner, apartment dweller, and squatter.  Squatting leaves all of your discretionary income for local restaurants, clubs, museums, transportation, and so on.  And you don&#8217;t have to spend all of your time working just to keep a roof over your head.  If you are disciplined about how you go about it, keep a very low profile, and don&#8217;t create the horrible social problems that many of the homeless people do, I would vote for squatting.</p>
<p>From the standpoint of someone rather enjoying the collapse of capitalism and the end of the folly and exploitation that these condos represent, City Walk stands as a monument to the end of capitalist domination of the economy.  Maybe the future holds greater connection to nature and fewer hierarchical and exploitative economic and social relationships between people.</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi Schiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naomi Schiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 04:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a homeowner but like many or perhaps most homeowners, I have been a renter. Both my daughters are renters. Some of the most civic-minded neighbors in my extremely mixed-income neighborhood are renters. I think it is a ridiculous, closed-minded and prejudiced view that makes assumptions about someone&#039;s sense of civic responsibility based upon income or living circumstances and I think it does not serve society well to erect such walls between people. There are isolated clueless folks who own homes, and active participatory people who do not. 

I don&#039;t know how a sentence can &quot;smell&quot; of being a tenant but consider being more openminded; it could even be that your favorite poster on ABO is a renter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a homeowner but like many or perhaps most homeowners, I have been a renter. Both my daughters are renters. Some of the most civic-minded neighbors in my extremely mixed-income neighborhood are renters. I think it is a ridiculous, closed-minded and prejudiced view that makes assumptions about someone&#8217;s sense of civic responsibility based upon income or living circumstances and I think it does not serve society well to erect such walls between people. There are isolated clueless folks who own homes, and active participatory people who do not. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how a sentence can &#8220;smell&#8221; of being a tenant but consider being more openminded; it could even be that your favorite poster on ABO is a renter.</p>
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