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	<title>Comments on: Tom Thurston: Why I killed Amber Tree Apartments</title>
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		<title>By: Naomi Schiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naomi Schiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 05:33:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting, Larry. How many of our units are more than 55 years old? Where has this happened? I only know about the Pacific Renaissance case, where when the affordability period ran out (it was much shorter, only ten years I think) the owners cheerfully evicted a bunch of hapless ninety year olds, and triggered a huge flap and lengthy lawsuit. Didn&#039;t seem obvious at all that it would remain affordable. That story is particularly convoluted, but I don&#039;t think many other units around here have hit 55?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting, Larry. How many of our units are more than 55 years old? Where has this happened? I only know about the Pacific Renaissance case, where when the affordability period ran out (it was much shorter, only ten years I think) the owners cheerfully evicted a bunch of hapless ninety year olds, and triggered a huge flap and lengthy lawsuit. Didn&#8217;t seem obvious at all that it would remain affordable. That story is particularly convoluted, but I don&#8217;t think many other units around here have hit 55?</p>
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		<title>By: Larry Rice</title>
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		<dc:creator>Larry Rice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:09:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t be fooled by the notion that affordability restrictions will expire in 55 years.  What typically happens is that a nonprofit manages the property, and eventually applies for NOFA funding, ostensibly for fix-up, but also in order to snag the 10% or so in &quot;administrative fees&quot; they are allowed to include.  Once further city funding is granted, the affordability clock is reset and runs for a new 55 year period.  Therefore, once the property is restricted for affordable housing, it is likely to stay that way forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t be fooled by the notion that affordability restrictions will expire in 55 years.  What typically happens is that a nonprofit manages the property, and eventually applies for NOFA funding, ostensibly for fix-up, but also in order to snag the 10% or so in &#8220;administrative fees&#8221; they are allowed to include.  Once further city funding is granted, the affordability clock is reset and runs for a new 55 year period.  Therefore, once the property is restricted for affordable housing, it is likely to stay that way forever.</p>
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		<title>By: livegreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>livegreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 22:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oaktowntom, Thanks for the follow-up.  However what I pointed out is that a significant # of these repairs have actually NOT been done.  (Isn&#039;t this called &quot;Theft&quot;?).  This leads me to believe:

--The verification system, if any, is not thoroughly carried out, or is otherwise flawed (IF PAC or CEDA staff actually goes to the property, they don&#039;t actually look in detail at the repairs.  Like the Sheriffs visiting Phil Garrido).

--On top of it the owners have refused to do repairs to the tenants property.  These are the same repairs the PAC loan was for.  The tenants had no idea the City had loaned money to the owners for this repair.  They just wanted repairs to be made because the conditions were so bad.

--I never mentioned anybody had called Code Compliance.  Residents of the property had no awareness of the PAC&#039;s, CEDA&#039;s, or the City&#039;s involvement with the property. (Again, shouldn&#039;t residents be notified about repairs to be made? That would help both tenants AND the PAC ensure money you&#039;ve loaned is actually being spent instead of pocketed.  Unless the system is honor code, or self-enforcement, as this makes it appear).

--On top of it the tenants ended up taking the owners to court, on their own time and dime.  If the PAC is defacto outsourcing Code Compliance to tenants you should at least compensate them for it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oaktowntom, Thanks for the follow-up.  However what I pointed out is that a significant # of these repairs have actually NOT been done.  (Isn&#8217;t this called &#8220;Theft&#8221;?).  This leads me to believe:</p>
<p>&#8211;The verification system, if any, is not thoroughly carried out, or is otherwise flawed (IF PAC or CEDA staff actually goes to the property, they don&#8217;t actually look in detail at the repairs.  Like the Sheriffs visiting Phil Garrido).</p>
<p>&#8211;On top of it the owners have refused to do repairs to the tenants property.  These are the same repairs the PAC loan was for.  The tenants had no idea the City had loaned money to the owners for this repair.  They just wanted repairs to be made because the conditions were so bad.</p>
<p>&#8211;I never mentioned anybody had called Code Compliance.  Residents of the property had no awareness of the PAC&#8217;s, CEDA&#8217;s, or the City&#8217;s involvement with the property. (Again, shouldn&#8217;t residents be notified about repairs to be made? That would help both tenants AND the PAC ensure money you&#8217;ve loaned is actually being spent instead of pocketed.  Unless the system is honor code, or self-enforcement, as this makes it appear).</p>
<p>&#8211;On top of it the tenants ended up taking the owners to court, on their own time and dime.  If the PAC is defacto outsourcing Code Compliance to tenants you should at least compensate them for it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Oaktowntom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Oaktowntom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:51:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In response to livegreen&#039;scomment on 8603 Hillside Ave., Redevelopment does not simply hand out money with no accountability. Recipients must follow CEDA guidelines and report back to staff the use of funds. During my term as Chair (October &#039;08 to present) I have tried to establish procedures for greater accountability of the staff to the PAC. Now our January and July meetings are budget reviews and updates on PAC projects and accomplishments. Members of the public who want to know what happened to the taxpayers&#039; money are welcome to attend these meetings. If they want to ask about any specific project, sign up for open forum regarding that agenda point.

Specifically on 8603 Hillside, that property had more than a few problems. Some investors from the east side of the hills bought it a few years ago, thinking they were getting a bargain, and got more than they bargained for. The property was in disrepair and had significant security problems. They sunk far more of their own money in than the anticipated, and came to the PAC for help. The owners impressed us as trying to do the right thing. If people are calling Code Compliance on the owners, that means they care about the property, and that&#039;s a good thing.

Regarding ener&#039;s comments, I would have been more sympathetic toward the project if the proposal included redesign to create a strong street presence. It did not. 

In response to Jason, I said that I killed Amber Tree because I was the only person who made a clearly negative statement about the property. PAC members from other areas look to those more directly concerned or affected by a proposal and often give significant consideration to their opinions. 

On the issue of affordable housing above 580, studies have shown that small to mid-size affordable projects do not have a negative affect on affluent neighborhoods. On the other hand, there&#039;s a financial Catch-22. The bigger the project, the easier it is to make the financing work,due to economies of scale. But bigger properties are not available above 580, or not available at a price that would attract a non-profit developer.  A solution would be greater subsidies per unit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In response to livegreen&#8217;scomment on 8603 Hillside Ave., Redevelopment does not simply hand out money with no accountability. Recipients must follow CEDA guidelines and report back to staff the use of funds. During my term as Chair (October &#8217;08 to present) I have tried to establish procedures for greater accountability of the staff to the PAC. Now our January and July meetings are budget reviews and updates on PAC projects and accomplishments. Members of the public who want to know what happened to the taxpayers&#8217; money are welcome to attend these meetings. If they want to ask about any specific project, sign up for open forum regarding that agenda point.</p>
<p>Specifically on 8603 Hillside, that property had more than a few problems. Some investors from the east side of the hills bought it a few years ago, thinking they were getting a bargain, and got more than they bargained for. The property was in disrepair and had significant security problems. They sunk far more of their own money in than the anticipated, and came to the PAC for help. The owners impressed us as trying to do the right thing. If people are calling Code Compliance on the owners, that means they care about the property, and that&#8217;s a good thing.</p>
<p>Regarding ener&#8217;s comments, I would have been more sympathetic toward the project if the proposal included redesign to create a strong street presence. It did not. </p>
<p>In response to Jason, I said that I killed Amber Tree because I was the only person who made a clearly negative statement about the property. PAC members from other areas look to those more directly concerned or affected by a proposal and often give significant consideration to their opinions. </p>
<p>On the issue of affordable housing above 580, studies have shown that small to mid-size affordable projects do not have a negative affect on affluent neighborhoods. On the other hand, there&#8217;s a financial Catch-22. The bigger the project, the easier it is to make the financing work,due to economies of scale. But bigger properties are not available above 580, or not available at a price that would attract a non-profit developer.  A solution would be greater subsidies per unit.</p>
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		<title>By: Born in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Born in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 07:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately Ralph, you speak the truth.  I have seen it happen several times right here in River City, right in my hood.  Parents had the equity, could have helped, kids were getting stoned.  Couldn&#039;t finish school, couldn&#039;t keep a job, now they are getting older , have a predisposition to violence and anger.  They can&#039;t be reasoned with because they can&#039;t think. They are cannon fodder for prison.  But  they do  like girls, all shapes and all sizes. They can&#039;t wait to prove their &quot;manhood&quot; and they think using condoms is unnatural. I feel particularly saddened by the plight of many young women, the object of this dysfunctional culture. We should build housing for these poor women and their progeny, just not in Oakland, or at least the flats, anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately Ralph, you speak the truth.  I have seen it happen several times right here in River City, right in my hood.  Parents had the equity, could have helped, kids were getting stoned.  Couldn&#8217;t finish school, couldn&#8217;t keep a job, now they are getting older , have a predisposition to violence and anger.  They can&#8217;t be reasoned with because they can&#8217;t think. They are cannon fodder for prison.  But  they do  like girls, all shapes and all sizes. They can&#8217;t wait to prove their &#8220;manhood&#8221; and they think using condoms is unnatural. I feel particularly saddened by the plight of many young women, the object of this dysfunctional culture. We should build housing for these poor women and their progeny, just not in Oakland, or at least the flats, anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BiO, unfortunately because the city is hooked on dope revenue and anyone old enough to walk and talk can get a script, it appears that getting high will become easier and easier. you know why little johnny can&#039;t buy a house, never got an education - turns out he never went to class, he could have cheated and he could have passed, but he never went. You know why? Because he got high. Roll another blunt!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BiO, unfortunately because the city is hooked on dope revenue and anyone old enough to walk and talk can get a script, it appears that getting high will become easier and easier. you know why little johnny can&#8217;t buy a house, never got an education &#8211; turns out he never went to class, he could have cheated and he could have passed, but he never went. You know why? Because he got high. Roll another blunt!</p>
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		<title>By: Born in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Born in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tough love for Oakland, tell it like it is boys!  Just say no to &quot;affordable&quot; housing below 580.  Put it in Berkeley, Montclair and see how the local pols flinch and the neighborhood screams.  There is plenty of affordable housing in the flats and with a lot of hard work, sweat equity and a strong stomach, anyone with an 8th grade education can stake a claim.  Don&#039;t wait for CEDA or some other gov&#039;t asistance, get your neighbors and friends to invest with you. But you have to put down the weed and the booze.  You need to get up in the morning and get to work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tough love for Oakland, tell it like it is boys!  Just say no to &#8220;affordable&#8221; housing below 580.  Put it in Berkeley, Montclair and see how the local pols flinch and the neighborhood screams.  There is plenty of affordable housing in the flats and with a lot of hard work, sweat equity and a strong stomach, anyone with an 8th grade education can stake a claim.  Don&#8217;t wait for CEDA or some other gov&#8217;t asistance, get your neighbors and friends to invest with you. But you have to put down the weed and the booze.  You need to get up in the morning and get to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 05:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry, ener - not buying it.  Market rate development does not &quot;crowd you out&quot; as much as &quot;affordable housing&quot; creates a permanent slum.  When did we become the lowest common denominator?  The city of Oakland is the most affordable city in the inner bay area.  All I see is &quot;touchy-feely, blah, blah, blah.&quot;  Oakland has plenty of affordable housing - we don&#039;t need yet another quasi-governmental group to further ruin our naturally improving neighborhoods.  Sorry.  Look elsewhere.  PLEASE.

These schemes are nothing but the &quot;projects&quot; of our time.  The high-rise &quot;clusters&quot; of the 1960&#039;s?  Razed.  The low-rise &quot;courtyard-communities&quot; of the 1970&#039;s? Razed. The mixed townhome/single family planned - communities of the 1980&#039;s?  Abandoned.  The &quot;inclusionary  villages&quot; of the 1990&#039;s?  Half empty.  The &quot;work-play-live&quot; developments - and the required percentage of &quot;affordable units&quot; - of the 2000&#039;s?  Just look around you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry, ener &#8211; not buying it.  Market rate development does not &#8220;crowd you out&#8221; as much as &#8220;affordable housing&#8221; creates a permanent slum.  When did we become the lowest common denominator?  The city of Oakland is the most affordable city in the inner bay area.  All I see is &#8220;touchy-feely, blah, blah, blah.&#8221;  Oakland has plenty of affordable housing &#8211; we don&#8217;t need yet another quasi-governmental group to further ruin our naturally improving neighborhoods.  Sorry.  Look elsewhere.  PLEASE.</p>
<p>These schemes are nothing but the &#8220;projects&#8221; of our time.  The high-rise &#8220;clusters&#8221; of the 1960&#8242;s?  Razed.  The low-rise &#8220;courtyard-communities&#8221; of the 1970&#8242;s? Razed. The mixed townhome/single family planned &#8211; communities of the 1980&#8242;s?  Abandoned.  The &#8220;inclusionary  villages&#8221; of the 1990&#8242;s?  Half empty.  The &#8220;work-play-live&#8221; developments &#8211; and the required percentage of &#8220;affordable units&#8221; &#8211; of the 2000&#8242;s?  Just look around you.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Panda</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy Panda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Nov 2009 03:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OHA &amp; section 8 are what stink up my neighborhood.  Between OHA &amp; section 8 crapholes, it makes any kind of developement w/ an affordable housing component a pretty tough sell, as, as has been mentioned in the thread, there are plenty of low income housing opportunities all over the place, &amp; the tenants of these buildings really help to drive out the people I would like to have as neighbors. I think Ambertree should be bulldozed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OHA &amp; section 8 are what stink up my neighborhood.  Between OHA &amp; section 8 crapholes, it makes any kind of developement w/ an affordable housing component a pretty tough sell, as, as has been mentioned in the thread, there are plenty of low income housing opportunities all over the place, &amp; the tenants of these buildings really help to drive out the people I would like to have as neighbors. I think Ambertree should be bulldozed.</p>
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		<title>By: ener</title>
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		<dc:creator>ener</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dear mr. thurston,

thank you for your thoughtful post on the amber tree, and for your service on the cce pac.  my name is ener chiu; i am a resident of downtown oakland , and also an ebaldc employee.  i&#039;m not currently staffed on amber tree, but i came across your abo post, and thought it was a good opportunity to open up a dialogue about the development.  this response is a personal one, and is not intended to represent the opinions of the ebaldc board or management.

first, i agree that the neighborhood has a significant amount of affordable, deed restricted units.  ebaldc owns and manages three buildings within eight blocks of the site: hismen (2555 international), oak park (2618 e.16th st.), and 7 directions (2946 international).  hismen and 7d are new construction, and oak park is a gut rehab similar to what we have proposed for amber tree.  there are two reasons we tend to cluster our sites.  first, market rate development tends to crowd us out, not the other way around.  in investment desirable neighborhoods, land tends to get snappedup at prices higher than we can afford.  as a result, we have traditionally been pushed into areas that are tougher, on more difficult sites, where larger developers don&#039;t want to go (yet).  we would welcome the opportunity to bring dignified, professionally managed affordable housing development to neighborhoods like rockridge or montclair , and hope that if that chance ever comes up, we would be able to count on citizens like yourself and others responding to your post, to help us educate the nimbys who are oposed to any affordable developments in their neighborhood.  (as an aside, i personally own a condo and live across the street from an ebaldc affordable housing development, and am excited about the possibility of more well-run affordable housing in my neighborhood.)  the second reason we cluster sites is because we find that it benefits the residents, building operations, and neighborhoods.  we often have unique services at each building.  for instance, at 7 directions, we are able to offer low-cost medical services at the clinic.  we have childcare at hismen.  and we have financial literacy programming at oak park .  this community hub provides easy access to services for residents of all three of our buildings, while allowing us to keep our service budget manageable.  we also offer and advertise these services to nearby residents who don’t live in our buildings.

to address your second and third points, i concede that indeed, it might be more ideal to tear down amber tree and start over.  as you pointed out, the design of the building is both dated and lacking in a strong street presence.  however, i doubt that any financially responsible developer or investor would demolish and rebuild this site, even as market rate rental or for-sale residential and expect to make a profit, and i don&#039;t believe the site is well situated for a retail development within the next ten years (though i could be wrong - i&#039;m not an expert in small scale commercial development).  it would be extremely difficult, maybe impossible in the current environment for ebaldc to raise the funds to demolish the building and create a new building.  that&#039;s not to say the site is a total loss as a rehab.  i think we can address some of the street presence issues that you brought up with a rehab.  if you&#039;ve been in the area for more than ten years, you may remember what the old oak park apartments were like before we took them over.  if you&#039;ve seen oak park recently, i think most reasonable people would conclude that we accomplished something more than just putting lipstick on a pig when we rehabbed it.  we also helped to catalyze a reduction in crime in the immediate vicinity and bring some new homeowners to the area who have bought homes nearby, and started a church/childcare center next door. 

lastly, your comment regarding the loss of the property as a tax generating source does have some validity.  as affordable housing, the site would generate less property taxes for the pac than other uses.  however, by effectively improving the blighted property, the site would more likely attract other development and investment (and homeowners) to the area and raise the values of the surrounding properties, thus generating more taxes overall in the area.  as an empty, boarded up site for a long period of time, it would most likely become an attractive nuisance and lower property values around it.  again, i would point to what ebaldc accomplished at oak park as an example.

thanks again for your insight.  i hope that i have the opportunity to meet you in the future, and continue this conversation so that we can learn how to create a better development that more fully meets the pac&#039;s goals.

and v, thank you for providing this excellent forum for exchanging ideas about oakland .  this is a good reminder for me to finally make my donation to your great efforts.  thank you!

ener</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dear mr. thurston,</p>
<p>thank you for your thoughtful post on the amber tree, and for your service on the cce pac.  my name is ener chiu; i am a resident of downtown oakland , and also an ebaldc employee.  i&#8217;m not currently staffed on amber tree, but i came across your abo post, and thought it was a good opportunity to open up a dialogue about the development.  this response is a personal one, and is not intended to represent the opinions of the ebaldc board or management.</p>
<p>first, i agree that the neighborhood has a significant amount of affordable, deed restricted units.  ebaldc owns and manages three buildings within eight blocks of the site: hismen (2555 international), oak park (2618 e.16th st.), and 7 directions (2946 international).  hismen and 7d are new construction, and oak park is a gut rehab similar to what we have proposed for amber tree.  there are two reasons we tend to cluster our sites.  first, market rate development tends to crowd us out, not the other way around.  in investment desirable neighborhoods, land tends to get snappedup at prices higher than we can afford.  as a result, we have traditionally been pushed into areas that are tougher, on more difficult sites, where larger developers don&#8217;t want to go (yet).  we would welcome the opportunity to bring dignified, professionally managed affordable housing development to neighborhoods like rockridge or montclair , and hope that if that chance ever comes up, we would be able to count on citizens like yourself and others responding to your post, to help us educate the nimbys who are oposed to any affordable developments in their neighborhood.  (as an aside, i personally own a condo and live across the street from an ebaldc affordable housing development, and am excited about the possibility of more well-run affordable housing in my neighborhood.)  the second reason we cluster sites is because we find that it benefits the residents, building operations, and neighborhoods.  we often have unique services at each building.  for instance, at 7 directions, we are able to offer low-cost medical services at the clinic.  we have childcare at hismen.  and we have financial literacy programming at oak park .  this community hub provides easy access to services for residents of all three of our buildings, while allowing us to keep our service budget manageable.  we also offer and advertise these services to nearby residents who don’t live in our buildings.</p>
<p>to address your second and third points, i concede that indeed, it might be more ideal to tear down amber tree and start over.  as you pointed out, the design of the building is both dated and lacking in a strong street presence.  however, i doubt that any financially responsible developer or investor would demolish and rebuild this site, even as market rate rental or for-sale residential and expect to make a profit, and i don&#8217;t believe the site is well situated for a retail development within the next ten years (though i could be wrong &#8211; i&#8217;m not an expert in small scale commercial development).  it would be extremely difficult, maybe impossible in the current environment for ebaldc to raise the funds to demolish the building and create a new building.  that&#8217;s not to say the site is a total loss as a rehab.  i think we can address some of the street presence issues that you brought up with a rehab.  if you&#8217;ve been in the area for more than ten years, you may remember what the old oak park apartments were like before we took them over.  if you&#8217;ve seen oak park recently, i think most reasonable people would conclude that we accomplished something more than just putting lipstick on a pig when we rehabbed it.  we also helped to catalyze a reduction in crime in the immediate vicinity and bring some new homeowners to the area who have bought homes nearby, and started a church/childcare center next door. </p>
<p>lastly, your comment regarding the loss of the property as a tax generating source does have some validity.  as affordable housing, the site would generate less property taxes for the pac than other uses.  however, by effectively improving the blighted property, the site would more likely attract other development and investment (and homeowners) to the area and raise the values of the surrounding properties, thus generating more taxes overall in the area.  as an empty, boarded up site for a long period of time, it would most likely become an attractive nuisance and lower property values around it.  again, i would point to what ebaldc accomplished at oak park as an example.</p>
<p>thanks again for your insight.  i hope that i have the opportunity to meet you in the future, and continue this conversation so that we can learn how to create a better development that more fully meets the pac&#8217;s goals.</p>
<p>and v, thank you for providing this excellent forum for exchanging ideas about oakland .  this is a good reminder for me to finally make my donation to your great efforts.  thank you!</p>
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