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	<title>Comments on: Tom Thurston: Oakland&#8217;s War on the Middle Class</title>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 16:10:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Livegreen,

How does Quan &quot;get the job thing&quot;?  Last time I checked, while she was chair of our Finance Committee, the city spent it&#039;s rainy day money without her objection. We also funded a lot of NGO jobs programs, and then showed a massive spike in unemployment.

Show me the green jobs.  Where are they?  Show me the new high-paying industrial jobs for people without college degrees.  That&#039;s what Quan and others promised when the city decided to &quot;preserve industrial land&quot;.  Where are those jobs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Livegreen,</p>
<p>How does Quan &#8220;get the job thing&#8221;?  Last time I checked, while she was chair of our Finance Committee, the city spent it&#8217;s rainy day money without her objection. We also funded a lot of NGO jobs programs, and then showed a massive spike in unemployment.</p>
<p>Show me the green jobs.  Where are they?  Show me the new high-paying industrial jobs for people without college degrees.  That&#8217;s what Quan and others promised when the city decided to &#8220;preserve industrial land&#8221;.  Where are those jobs?</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi Schiff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Naomi Schiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 05:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Affordable housing is not part of the general fund budget. At the moment, federal subsidies are making some of the affordable housing more feasible than the moribund market-rate housing construction. Jean Quan has been talking about &quot;workforce housing&quot; which is to say, not the extremely-low-income type aimed at the nonworking folks. There are several levels of affordability associated with these housing programs.
Most affordable housing is currently using a mixture of federal subsidy, federal tax credits, and redevelopment tax increment funds. Some cities require some contribution from market-rate developers. The state requires cities to provide &quot;density bonuses&quot; in the form of greater leeway in zoning regulations to those who build affordable housing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Affordable housing is not part of the general fund budget. At the moment, federal subsidies are making some of the affordable housing more feasible than the moribund market-rate housing construction. Jean Quan has been talking about &#8220;workforce housing&#8221; which is to say, not the extremely-low-income type aimed at the nonworking folks. There are several levels of affordability associated with these housing programs.<br />
Most affordable housing is currently using a mixture of federal subsidy, federal tax credits, and redevelopment tax increment funds. Some cities require some contribution from market-rate developers. The state requires cities to provide &#8220;density bonuses&#8221; in the form of greater leeway in zoning regulations to those who build affordable housing.</p>
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		<title>By: livegreen</title>
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		<dc:creator>livegreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Mar 2010 04:00:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, Jean Quan gets the job thing, she&#039;s on the wrong side of Affordable Housing.
From today&#039;s Tribune:  http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_14770922

&quot;&quot;People also really care about fair and equitable economic development, which in this city means affordable housing and making sure the people who live here have jobs.&quot;  

Revisit Tom&#039;s article above to see how out of whack Oakland is on building less Medium Income Housing than Low Income Housing.  My question for Jean: If she plans to keep this up, how does she plan to pay for the higher levels of Affordable Housing she wants?  What about the deficit we&#039;re already in?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, Jean Quan gets the job thing, she&#8217;s on the wrong side of Affordable Housing.<br />
From today&#8217;s Tribune:  <a href="http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_14770922" rel="nofollow">http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_14770922</a></p>
<p>&#8220;&#8221;People also really care about fair and equitable economic development, which in this city means affordable housing and making sure the people who live here have jobs.&#8221;  </p>
<p>Revisit Tom&#8217;s article above to see how out of whack Oakland is on building less Medium Income Housing than Low Income Housing.  My question for Jean: If she plans to keep this up, how does she plan to pay for the higher levels of Affordable Housing she wants?  What about the deficit we&#8217;re already in?</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Apr 2009 02:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris,

Sure, Chicago &amp; Madison are different from Oakland.  In terms of housing stock, by and large they&#039;re superior, yet prices are lower.  Again, I&#039;d welcome you to take a field trip of comparably priced homes in the different areas.  

The difference?  (along with IZ)?  Neither city is &quot;land constrained,&quot; rather they&#039;re &quot;income constrained&quot;--prices relate to incomes in non-land-constrained areas, in land-constrained areas, prices relate to rents. 

With land constraints (many of which are self-imposed by the unwitting collaboration of &quot;affordable housing&quot; folks who do the pizza example and current homeowners--who don&#039;t want supply driving down their property values), the incentive is clearly to put up housing with the absolute lowest quality materials.  Why?  Because they can get away with it.  There&#039;s a restricted supply of new housing, as opposed to Chicago, Minneapolis, or wherever, and so they know they&#039;ll have a surfeit of buyers, one of whom will buy the house at their inflated price.  Elsewhere, there is no surfeit of buyers and no restricted supply, so builders compete on QUALITY (and location).  That&#039;s why new construction here is crap. 

The plain fact is, Chris, the dynamics of THIS market work to exclude the middle class.  THIS market, with &quot;affordable housing&quot; set asides and everything else (NIMBYism, &quot;landmarking&quot;) work to bifurcate the market into poor folks&#039; housing and rich folks&#039; housing.  Take a look at every other less-regulated housing market, and you&#039;ll find 1) housing prices relating to income, not rents and 2) a broad spectrum market with all classes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris,</p>
<p>Sure, Chicago &amp; Madison are different from Oakland.  In terms of housing stock, by and large they&#8217;re superior, yet prices are lower.  Again, I&#8217;d welcome you to take a field trip of comparably priced homes in the different areas.  </p>
<p>The difference?  (along with IZ)?  Neither city is &#8220;land constrained,&#8221; rather they&#8217;re &#8220;income constrained&#8221;&#8211;prices relate to incomes in non-land-constrained areas, in land-constrained areas, prices relate to rents. </p>
<p>With land constraints (many of which are self-imposed by the unwitting collaboration of &#8220;affordable housing&#8221; folks who do the pizza example and current homeowners&#8211;who don&#8217;t want supply driving down their property values), the incentive is clearly to put up housing with the absolute lowest quality materials.  Why?  Because they can get away with it.  There&#8217;s a restricted supply of new housing, as opposed to Chicago, Minneapolis, or wherever, and so they know they&#8217;ll have a surfeit of buyers, one of whom will buy the house at their inflated price.  Elsewhere, there is no surfeit of buyers and no restricted supply, so builders compete on QUALITY (and location).  That&#8217;s why new construction here is crap. </p>
<p>The plain fact is, Chris, the dynamics of THIS market work to exclude the middle class.  THIS market, with &#8220;affordable housing&#8221; set asides and everything else (NIMBYism, &#8220;landmarking&#8221;) work to bifurcate the market into poor folks&#8217; housing and rich folks&#8217; housing.  Take a look at every other less-regulated housing market, and you&#8217;ll find 1) housing prices relating to income, not rents and 2) a broad spectrum market with all classes.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you David love the way you laid it out.

And in some respects, I do see my homeownership as a form of investment.  When I rented I was truly wedded to the town, today I am in for the long haul.  It was nights like last night which make me think we are headed in the right direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you David love the way you laid it out.</p>
<p>And in some respects, I do see my homeownership as a form of investment.  When I rented I was truly wedded to the town, today I am in for the long haul.  It was nights like last night which make me think we are headed in the right direction.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Kidd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Kidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my, a nuanced argument.  While I don&#039;t like IZ either, we can&#039;t distill the differences between wildly different housing markets in completely different areas of the country down to a single talking point.  Too bad: all that pizza talk was making me hungry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh my, a nuanced argument.  While I don&#8217;t like IZ either, we can&#8217;t distill the differences between wildly different housing markets in completely different areas of the country down to a single talking point.  Too bad: all that pizza talk was making me hungry.</p>
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		<title>By: Art</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These may not be the wisest examples---Chicago has IZ, and Madison did until very recently. (Madison is an interesting example of a failed IZ model; the design and timing of their program ended up hurting, rather than helping, their affordable housing stock.) Poor construction and high prices may be a problem with new construction in Oakland, but we definitely can&#039;t blame that on inclusionary zoning. There are a lot of other factors that drive price; can&#039;t speak to construction quality as I don&#039;t know that industry well enough, but it&#039;s possible that some of the fault there lies in the building standards set by the respective state and local governments, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These may not be the wisest examples&#8212;Chicago has IZ, and Madison did until very recently. (Madison is an interesting example of a failed IZ model; the design and timing of their program ended up hurting, rather than helping, their affordable housing stock.) Poor construction and high prices may be a problem with new construction in Oakland, but we definitely can&#8217;t blame that on inclusionary zoning. There are a lot of other factors that drive price; can&#8217;t speak to construction quality as I don&#8217;t know that industry well enough, but it&#8217;s possible that some of the fault there lies in the building standards set by the respective state and local governments, too.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 18:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dto510,  exactly.  Even if the units are &quot;equivalent&quot; the developer then has to sell the &quot;market rate&quot; at inflated prices to make up the money.

It also explains why you get such poor value for your money on newer, market-rate construction.  It&#039;s seriously terrible out here.  I&#039;d love for everybody to go on a field trip to anywhere else (Chicago, Madison WI, etc) and peruse new construction and the prices and compare the quality to here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dto510,  exactly.  Even if the units are &#8220;equivalent&#8221; the developer then has to sell the &#8220;market rate&#8221; at inflated prices to make up the money.</p>
<p>It also explains why you get such poor value for your money on newer, market-rate construction.  It&#8217;s seriously terrible out here.  I&#8217;d love for everybody to go on a field trip to anywhere else (Chicago, Madison WI, etc) and peruse new construction and the prices and compare the quality to here.</p>
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		<title>By: dto510</title>
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		<dc:creator>dto510</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Art is right that under strict IZ laws (which only a small minority of CA jurisdictions have), developers must make the units whether market-rate or price-capped similar. But developers certainly do sell the market-rate units at an inflated price to make up for the hit they are being forced to take on the price-capped units. Look at the Bay Area cities with IZ - they are much more expensive than Oakland, and don&#039;t have more affordable housing. IZ is a proven failure, and Oakland was fortunate it did not get caught up in the hysteria to pass it a few years ago. The issue seems dead with this turndown, especially since so-called &quot;affordable&quot; units are doing especially poorly, showing how little demand there is for government-regulated housing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art is right that under strict IZ laws (which only a small minority of CA jurisdictions have), developers must make the units whether market-rate or price-capped similar. But developers certainly do sell the market-rate units at an inflated price to make up for the hit they are being forced to take on the price-capped units. Look at the Bay Area cities with IZ &#8211; they are much more expensive than Oakland, and don&#8217;t have more affordable housing. IZ is a proven failure, and Oakland was fortunate it did not get caught up in the hysteria to pass it a few years ago. The issue seems dead with this turndown, especially since so-called &#8220;affordable&#8221; units are doing especially poorly, showing how little demand there is for government-regulated housing.</p>
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		<title>By: Art</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 21:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This model is a little misleading. Most programs that require developers to set aside a certain percentage of units to sell below market rate (and, again, Oakland doesn&#039;t actually have this requirement right now!) require that the subsidized slices be equivalent to the market-rate slices. So you can&#039;t just make the market-rate units bigger and better to make up the difference (believe me, it&#039;s been tried---by developers and in court!) Developers can sometimes fudge this with finishes (e.g., the base model at a cheap price, but oh wait, the market-rate buyer requests lots of &quot;upgrades&quot;), but not with unit sizes.

But, again, this is all in the abstract. We don&#039;t have inclusionary zoning. The affordable units that come from new development typically come from fees and incentives, or are the result of tax credits and other funding sources that have strings attached (and that aren&#039;t unique to Oakland).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This model is a little misleading. Most programs that require developers to set aside a certain percentage of units to sell below market rate (and, again, Oakland doesn&#8217;t actually have this requirement right now!) require that the subsidized slices be equivalent to the market-rate slices. So you can&#8217;t just make the market-rate units bigger and better to make up the difference (believe me, it&#8217;s been tried&#8212;by developers and in court!) Developers can sometimes fudge this with finishes (e.g., the base model at a cheap price, but oh wait, the market-rate buyer requests lots of &#8220;upgrades&#8221;), but not with unit sizes.</p>
<p>But, again, this is all in the abstract. We don&#8217;t have inclusionary zoning. The affordable units that come from new development typically come from fees and incentives, or are the result of tax credits and other funding sources that have strings attached (and that aren&#8217;t unique to Oakland).</p>
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