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	<title>Comments on: The Express is dead to me, part 2</title>
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		<title>By: Julie W</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/this-weekly-is-dead-to-me-part-2/2008-01-25#comment-394</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 05:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all the politics and skewed statistics aside, I have to say I hate those buses!  Maybe they&#039;re okay for in-town trips, but they are insanely uncomfortable for trans-bay commutes.  I hate that half the seats face backwards, that you have to climb up onto platforms to the seats, that there is not nearly enough legroom for 4 people sitting on seats opposite each other, and that the suspension is so bad you nearly hit the ceiling when going over freeway bumps at 60 mph!  Bring back the good old green commute buses!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all the politics and skewed statistics aside, I have to say I hate those buses!  Maybe they&#8217;re okay for in-town trips, but they are insanely uncomfortable for trans-bay commutes.  I hate that half the seats face backwards, that you have to climb up onto platforms to the seats, that there is not nearly enough legroom for 4 people sitting on seats opposite each other, and that the suspension is so bad you nearly hit the ceiling when going over freeway bumps at 60 mph!  Bring back the good old green commute buses!</p>
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		<title>By: chris k.</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/this-weekly-is-dead-to-me-part-2/2008-01-25#comment-390</link>
		<dc:creator>chris k.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 22:32:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read the feature somewhat quickly, but one of many questions this series of exposes seems to beg is: &quot;Has anyone at AC Transit taken bribes in exchange for the contract to purchase these buses.&quot;  Matters of possible public corruption are fair game for examination by the press and the public.  Of course, we should also examine and scrutinize the checks and balances on such contracts and spending, from the AC Transit Board and other oversight mechanisms.  Sadly, many local voters around here don&#039;t even bother to cast informed votes for the elected spots on the AC Transit Board.

That being said, personally, I&#039;m an advocate of the most aggressive BRT alternative, with a separated right of way so the &quot;Subway on tires&quot; doesn&#039;t have to compete for space with egomaniacal private car drivers.

In regards to the country of origin of the bus equipment, believe it or not, I was hit with a note of sadness after Enrique Penalosa&#039;s, moving, standing-ovation-bringing speech in City Hall last year learning from Rick Fernandez that the coming BRT system equipment would not be made by American workers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read the feature somewhat quickly, but one of many questions this series of exposes seems to beg is: &#8220;Has anyone at AC Transit taken bribes in exchange for the contract to purchase these buses.&#8221;  Matters of possible public corruption are fair game for examination by the press and the public.  Of course, we should also examine and scrutinize the checks and balances on such contracts and spending, from the AC Transit Board and other oversight mechanisms.  Sadly, many local voters around here don&#8217;t even bother to cast informed votes for the elected spots on the AC Transit Board.</p>
<p>That being said, personally, I&#8217;m an advocate of the most aggressive BRT alternative, with a separated right of way so the &#8220;Subway on tires&#8221; doesn&#8217;t have to compete for space with egomaniacal private car drivers.</p>
<p>In regards to the country of origin of the bus equipment, believe it or not, I was hit with a note of sadness after Enrique Penalosa&#8217;s, moving, standing-ovation-bringing speech in City Hall last year learning from Rick Fernandez that the coming BRT system equipment would not be made by American workers.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/this-weekly-is-dead-to-me-part-2/2008-01-25#comment-384</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Using smaller buses off-peak will make it look like operations are more efficient, since buses will look fuller, but I would hesitate to conclude that that would reduce operating costs all that much. It doesn&#039;t seem like you&#039;d save all that much on fuel, and of course there are still labor costs. And that doesn&#039;t even take into account capital costs associated with accumulating an off-peak fleet. VTA is starting to introduce smaller buses on community service routes as part of its new service plan, so we&#039;ll see what magnitude of savings that garners.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Using smaller buses off-peak will make it look like operations are more efficient, since buses will look fuller, but I would hesitate to conclude that that would reduce operating costs all that much. It doesn&#8217;t seem like you&#8217;d save all that much on fuel, and of course there are still labor costs. And that doesn&#8217;t even take into account capital costs associated with accumulating an off-peak fleet. VTA is starting to introduce smaller buses on community service routes as part of its new service plan, so we&#8217;ll see what magnitude of savings that garners.</p>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/this-weekly-is-dead-to-me-part-2/2008-01-25#comment-382</link>
		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 20:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Len - 

No need to take my statement as gospel - I have provided links to all the necessary information. I encourage you to page through the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ntdprogram.gov/ntdprogram/data.htm#top&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;National Transit Database&#039;s&lt;/a&gt; information - the National Profile and the Top 50 Agencies profile. Fare revenue and operating costs are broken down there for every agency by mode of transport, so you can see how the numbers work. Rail has higher farebox recovery ratios because it is capital cost intensive rather than operating cost intensive - when you figure in capital costs, rail is a more expensive form of transit. 

I&#039;m not sure why you came to the conclusion that public transit is barely surviving, however. I would argue that the subsidies spent on public transit are small compared to the taxpayer subsidies for automobiles, and note additionally that a very important benefit of public transit is that it is taking those cars off the road, easing congestion for drivers. Not to mention the larger long-term environmental costs of driving. That&#039;s an argument that deserves a post of its own, though. For now, I would encourage you to read through this &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/2008/01/25/the-63-solution/#more-571&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Capricious Commuter post&lt;/a&gt; and the accompanying comments.

I&#039;m not quite sure I understand what you think the benefit of not using large buses during off-peak hours is. If you can clarify, perhaps I&#039;ll be able to respond to that better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Len &#8211; </p>
<p>No need to take my statement as gospel &#8211; I have provided links to all the necessary information. I encourage you to page through the <a href="http://www.ntdprogram.gov/ntdprogram/data.htm#top" rel="nofollow">National Transit Database&#8217;s</a> information &#8211; the National Profile and the Top 50 Agencies profile. Fare revenue and operating costs are broken down there for every agency by mode of transport, so you can see how the numbers work. Rail has higher farebox recovery ratios because it is capital cost intensive rather than operating cost intensive &#8211; when you figure in capital costs, rail is a more expensive form of transit. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure why you came to the conclusion that public transit is barely surviving, however. I would argue that the subsidies spent on public transit are small compared to the taxpayer subsidies for automobiles, and note additionally that a very important benefit of public transit is that it is taking those cars off the road, easing congestion for drivers. Not to mention the larger long-term environmental costs of driving. That&#8217;s an argument that deserves a post of its own, though. For now, I would encourage you to read through this <a href="http://www.ibabuzz.com/transportation/2008/01/25/the-63-solution/#more-571" rel="nofollow">Capricious Commuter post</a> and the accompanying comments.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not quite sure I understand what you think the benefit of not using large buses during off-peak hours is. If you can clarify, perhaps I&#8217;ll be able to respond to that better.</p>
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		<title>By: len raphael</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/this-weekly-is-dead-to-me-part-2/2008-01-25#comment-380</link>
		<dc:creator>len raphael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2008 07:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for the years in the transit report, a limitation of muni financial info was that operating expenses don&#039;t include depreciation and amortization of equiptment and building expense so you can&#039;t easily compare the cost efficiency of buses to rail. that might have changed for 2007 data. The  ac transit web site states that there is not enough space on their site to post their 2007 financial statements so can&#039;t tell if depreciation is included in operating expenses for that year.

so without a guestimate for depreciation,  have to take your statement as gospel that the true operating expenses of buses including capital depreciation is not inherently higher than say bart.

looking at the efficiency ratios for other northern californ transit agencies in that link you gave, suggests that AC is better than some and worse than others. But those fare and ridership numbers suggest that overall public transit is barely surviving in the bay area and needs vast infusions of public money to subsidize relatively few riders, but would need some comparisons to total cost of automobiles w all associated costs to know. 

if operating cost per passenger is higher for buses than rail, and equipment fixed capital costs relatively lower, why doesn&#039;t AC mothball the big vehicles except for peak times, and run Emery Go Around size buses more frequently during the off peak hours? Maybe not in East O and Richmond, but in much of North Oakand off peak hours the AC busses appear to be 10% occupied.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for the years in the transit report, a limitation of muni financial info was that operating expenses don&#8217;t include depreciation and amortization of equiptment and building expense so you can&#8217;t easily compare the cost efficiency of buses to rail. that might have changed for 2007 data. The  ac transit web site states that there is not enough space on their site to post their 2007 financial statements so can&#8217;t tell if depreciation is included in operating expenses for that year.</p>
<p>so without a guestimate for depreciation,  have to take your statement as gospel that the true operating expenses of buses including capital depreciation is not inherently higher than say bart.</p>
<p>looking at the efficiency ratios for other northern californ transit agencies in that link you gave, suggests that AC is better than some and worse than others. But those fare and ridership numbers suggest that overall public transit is barely surviving in the bay area and needs vast infusions of public money to subsidize relatively few riders, but would need some comparisons to total cost of automobiles w all associated costs to know. </p>
<p>if operating cost per passenger is higher for buses than rail, and equipment fixed capital costs relatively lower, why doesn&#8217;t AC mothball the big vehicles except for peak times, and run Emery Go Around size buses more frequently during the off peak hours? Maybe not in East O and Richmond, but in much of North Oakand off peak hours the AC busses appear to be 10% occupied.</p>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/this-weekly-is-dead-to-me-part-2/2008-01-25#comment-379</link>
		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:58:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Capricious Commuter - 

I have long-standing serious problems with Gammon&#039;s deceptive and often bordering on libelous reporting, so while my words may seem particularly harsh, rest assured that it wasn&#039;t only issues with a single story that brought on this level of invective.

And on a less mature note - he started it. Seriously. In response to my comment listing ridership data from the National Transportation Profile, his response was &quot;You obviously have no idea what you&#039;re talking about.&quot;

Having said that, you&#039;re probably right that I could have been less personal in my critique, and I will bear that in mind for future posts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Capricious Commuter &#8211; </p>
<p>I have long-standing serious problems with Gammon&#8217;s deceptive and often bordering on libelous reporting, so while my words may seem particularly harsh, rest assured that it wasn&#8217;t only issues with a single story that brought on this level of invective.</p>
<p>And on a less mature note &#8211; he started it. Seriously. In response to my comment listing ridership data from the National Transportation Profile, his response was &#8220;You obviously have no idea what you&#8217;re talking about.&#8221;</p>
<p>Having said that, you&#8217;re probably right that I could have been less personal in my critique, and I will bear that in mind for future posts.</p>
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		<title>By: Capricious Commuter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Capricious Commuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2008 21:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Talk about your hit pieces! I think you were a little hard on Bob, although I also had trouble making the link between the Van Hool purchases and AC Transit&#039;s misfortunes. I did read this all the way to the bitter, bitter end. You make a lot of good points, but I really can&#039;t stand to see a fellow reporter slammed like this. Seems one could criticize the story without raising questions about the writer&#039;s character.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Talk about your hit pieces! I think you were a little hard on Bob, although I also had trouble making the link between the Van Hool purchases and AC Transit&#8217;s misfortunes. I did read this all the way to the bitter, bitter end. You make a lot of good points, but I really can&#8217;t stand to see a fellow reporter slammed like this. Seems one could criticize the story without raising questions about the writer&#8217;s character.</p>
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