Comments on: The sad story of subarea 8 http://www.abetteroakland.com/the-sad-story-of-subarea-8/2008-03-26 The Continuing Story of a City Fri, 06 Jan 2012 21:06:35 +0000 hourly 1 By: Buddy Cushman http://www.abetteroakland.com/the-sad-story-of-subarea-8/2008-03-26#comment-762 Buddy Cushman Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:16:31 +0000 http://www.abetteroakland.com/the-sad-story-of-subarea-8/2008-03-26#comment-762 V Smoothe -- Thanks for this posting, really well written and very clear. I do not know this area very well. But reading your posting it is hard to come to any conclusion other than yours: that the City Council members voting against the motion should be ashamed of themselves. The issue for me is, and always is, leadership -- it's quality, or the lack of it. The Oakland City Council is so lacking in quality leaders. And it is always very depressing to see just how far people who get elected to public offices fall away from doing the right thing: either really being able to understand what the right thing, the truly important thing, is, or lacking the ethical courage to move in that direction....anyway, thanks again for your conscientiousness and efforts. V Smoothe — Thanks for this posting, really well written and very clear. I do not know this area very well. But reading your posting it is hard to come to any conclusion other than yours: that the City Council members voting against the motion should be ashamed of themselves. The issue for me is, and always is, leadership — it’s quality, or the lack of it. The Oakland City Council is so lacking in quality leaders. And it is always very depressing to see just how far people who get elected to public offices fall away from doing the right thing: either really being able to understand what the right thing, the truly important thing, is, or lacking the ethical courage to move in that direction….anyway, thanks again for your conscientiousness and efforts.

]]> By: Max Allstadt http://www.abetteroakland.com/the-sad-story-of-subarea-8/2008-03-26#comment-753 Max Allstadt Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:35:56 +0000 http://www.abetteroakland.com/the-sad-story-of-subarea-8/2008-03-26#comment-753 Container housing is a tricky thing to accomplish. It's viable, but there are some major issues. 1. Ceiling heights are low once the interior is finished, unless you use 9' "high-top" containers. 2. Acoustics inside a metal box aren't great, no matter how you dampen them. 3. Building codes haven't been updated to accommodate recycled containers, so you pay through the nose for engineering. There's more too. I'm not saying it won't work, but it's not the miracle people imply it is sometimes. Container housing is a tricky thing to accomplish. It’s viable, but there are some major issues.

1. Ceiling heights are low once the interior is finished, unless you use 9′ “high-top” containers.

2. Acoustics inside a metal box aren’t great, no matter how you dampen them.

3. Building codes haven’t been updated to accommodate recycled containers, so you pay through the nose for engineering.

There’s more too. I’m not saying it won’t work, but it’s not the miracle people imply it is sometimes.

]]> By: CK http://www.abetteroakland.com/the-sad-story-of-subarea-8/2008-03-26#comment-751 CK Thu, 27 Mar 2008 18:13:23 +0000 http://www.abetteroakland.com/the-sad-story-of-subarea-8/2008-03-26#comment-751 Dogtown- That's about 20 kinds of awesome right there. Way to think outside the box. Um, or maybe in it. Dogtown-

That’s about 20 kinds of awesome right there.

Way to think outside the box.
Um, or maybe in it.

]]> By: Dogtown Commoner http://www.abetteroakland.com/the-sad-story-of-subarea-8/2008-03-26#comment-750 Dogtown Commoner Thu, 27 Mar 2008 05:36:28 +0000 http://www.abetteroakland.com/the-sad-story-of-subarea-8/2008-03-26#comment-750 A compromise: leave the shipping containers where they are, but <a href="http://www.treehugger.com/files/2005/01/shipping_contai.php" rel="nofollow">convert them into housing.</a> A compromise: leave the shipping containers where they are, but convert them into housing.

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