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	<title>Comments on: Thank you, readers! Also, Deborah Edgerly.</title>
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		<title>By: dconstab</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/thank-you-readers-also-deborah-edgerly/2008-06-25#comment-2528</link>
		<dc:creator>dconstab</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Jun 2008 16:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all, congratulations on your award.  I have long enjoyed reading your blog.

Secondly, I want to give my opinion on this recent Dellums/Edgerly situation.  When I saw the video of the Dellums/Edgerly news conference yesterday, these two made me sick to my stomach! Dellums with his arms folded in a defensive posture and Edgerly, smiling and rubbing her chin like the cat who was served too much cream. I don&#039;t understand how she was given so much power and is allowed to CONTINUE TO ABUSE IT! She said during that news conference (not word for word but close), &quot;Make no mistake- I continue to have the full power and authority of my position as City Administrator now and when I walk out of this room.&quot; How could this person continue to control this city?? Where are the sane people of Oakland? Why didn&#039;t Dellums&#039; advisers and legal staff not take him in hand and have him stand up and demand her resignation??! Edgerly DOES NOT deserve to retire with her full pension! She should be fired and investigated by the City of Oakland, the Attorney General, AND the FBI. Anything less is insane and incomprehensible. Dellums should fire her or be recalled. 

To me it&#039;s both a policy and politics issue.  Edgerly doesn&#039;t run the city by policy, she has hidden behind city policy for too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all, congratulations on your award.  I have long enjoyed reading your blog.</p>
<p>Secondly, I want to give my opinion on this recent Dellums/Edgerly situation.  When I saw the video of the Dellums/Edgerly news conference yesterday, these two made me sick to my stomach! Dellums with his arms folded in a defensive posture and Edgerly, smiling and rubbing her chin like the cat who was served too much cream. I don&#8217;t understand how she was given so much power and is allowed to CONTINUE TO ABUSE IT! She said during that news conference (not word for word but close), &#8220;Make no mistake- I continue to have the full power and authority of my position as City Administrator now and when I walk out of this room.&#8221; How could this person continue to control this city?? Where are the sane people of Oakland? Why didn&#8217;t Dellums&#8217; advisers and legal staff not take him in hand and have him stand up and demand her resignation??! Edgerly DOES NOT deserve to retire with her full pension! She should be fired and investigated by the City of Oakland, the Attorney General, AND the FBI. Anything less is insane and incomprehensible. Dellums should fire her or be recalled. </p>
<p>To me it&#8217;s both a policy and politics issue.  Edgerly doesn&#8217;t run the city by policy, she has hidden behind city policy for too long.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The primary problem is not with the organization of the city governemnt, it is with the people involved. If Dellums was willing and/or able to take disciplinary action against the administrator, this wouldn&#039;t really be an issue, but it doesn&#039;t seem that he can. Although he has made some faint noises, he hasn&#039;t really shown any indication that he is willing to take action, either by firing her or reducing her power (leave of absence). If may also be that he is in actual fact not able to discipline her. Although he has the nominal ability to fire her, he may well have been advised by the city attorney that that would lead to an expensive lawsuit. 

If the functional inability to fire the administrator is the problem, then that part of the charter may need work, or the city and mayor just need to suck it up and fight it out in the courts someday. But fundamentally, having a top administrator who reports solely to the mayor can work. While I think it might be better to have the department heads also report to the mayor, do we think that would work much better given the current mayor? He wouldn&#039;t fire them either if they screw up. And having the city administrator report to the council in addition to the mayor is just a receipe for a mess (imho). Multiple reporting structures lead to confusion in any organization.

Look at business structures for organization models. There is a board of directors (city council), that sets policy (or at least agrees to it). Other than shaping policy, their only realy power is the hire/fire the CEO (the mayor in our strong mayor system). Of course the council can&#039;t really fire the mayor here, that is left up to the voters (shareholders). The CEO (mayor) then has sole authority on the day to day running and implementation of the board&#039;s policies. If only he would. I think in the business world the city administrator would be the CFO, just one of may reports to the mayor, although a very influential one in most companies, since there are responsible for the budget.

With our system, the mayors only real function in governemnt is to monitor the administrator, and that could work fine as long as the two work together closely as a team.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The primary problem is not with the organization of the city governemnt, it is with the people involved. If Dellums was willing and/or able to take disciplinary action against the administrator, this wouldn&#8217;t really be an issue, but it doesn&#8217;t seem that he can. Although he has made some faint noises, he hasn&#8217;t really shown any indication that he is willing to take action, either by firing her or reducing her power (leave of absence). If may also be that he is in actual fact not able to discipline her. Although he has the nominal ability to fire her, he may well have been advised by the city attorney that that would lead to an expensive lawsuit. </p>
<p>If the functional inability to fire the administrator is the problem, then that part of the charter may need work, or the city and mayor just need to suck it up and fight it out in the courts someday. But fundamentally, having a top administrator who reports solely to the mayor can work. While I think it might be better to have the department heads also report to the mayor, do we think that would work much better given the current mayor? He wouldn&#8217;t fire them either if they screw up. And having the city administrator report to the council in addition to the mayor is just a receipe for a mess (imho). Multiple reporting structures lead to confusion in any organization.</p>
<p>Look at business structures for organization models. There is a board of directors (city council), that sets policy (or at least agrees to it). Other than shaping policy, their only realy power is the hire/fire the CEO (the mayor in our strong mayor system). Of course the council can&#8217;t really fire the mayor here, that is left up to the voters (shareholders). The CEO (mayor) then has sole authority on the day to day running and implementation of the board&#8217;s policies. If only he would. I think in the business world the city administrator would be the CFO, just one of may reports to the mayor, although a very influential one in most companies, since there are responsible for the budget.</p>
<p>With our system, the mayors only real function in governemnt is to monitor the administrator, and that could work fine as long as the two work together closely as a team.</p>
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		<title>By: Colin</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/thank-you-readers-also-deborah-edgerly/2008-06-25#comment-2515</link>
		<dc:creator>Colin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 17:45:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think you were unclear in your thoughts on this scandal - that it is a relatively big deal - but I want to point out that the city charter fails in this instance because of the person involved. In other words, the charter could work fine if only the most scrupulous, intelligent, and analytical people were allowed to hold the city administrator position. Having someone who isn&#039;t all of those things in the office has made it a little bit of an issue. Having someone who isn&#039;t any of those things and has willfully abused their position highlights the need for policy change.

But I completely understand loving policy and hating politics. One is often instrumental in destroying the other, however, so it seems a bit difficult to separate them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you were unclear in your thoughts on this scandal &#8211; that it is a relatively big deal &#8211; but I want to point out that the city charter fails in this instance because of the person involved. In other words, the charter could work fine if only the most scrupulous, intelligent, and analytical people were allowed to hold the city administrator position. Having someone who isn&#8217;t all of those things in the office has made it a little bit of an issue. Having someone who isn&#8217;t any of those things and has willfully abused their position highlights the need for policy change.</p>
<p>But I completely understand loving policy and hating politics. One is often instrumental in destroying the other, however, so it seems a bit difficult to separate them.</p>
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		<title>By: oaklandhappenings</title>
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		<dc:creator>oaklandhappenings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sorry, I meant &quot;ranked&quot;, not voted, by CQ-- I still loathe their not-considering-demographic-percentage/other-ways.  I surely hope that doesn&#039;t sound racist, but the cities which ranked high on their lists had similarities relating to such.
Anyway, back on topic: Dellums better hope that keeping Edgerly won&#039;t come back to hurt Oakland more than it already has.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sorry, I meant &#8220;ranked&#8221;, not voted, by CQ&#8211; I still loathe their not-considering-demographic-percentage/other-ways.  I surely hope that doesn&#8217;t sound racist, but the cities which ranked high on their lists had similarities relating to such.<br />
Anyway, back on topic: Dellums better hope that keeping Edgerly won&#8217;t come back to hurt Oakland more than it already has.</p>
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		<title>By: oaklandhappenings</title>
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		<dc:creator>oaklandhappenings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 08:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congrats, V!  Sorry that I was too late to vote, but my hopes and wishes were with you to win!  You have taught me so much about how to be a better writer!
Also, I know how much you hate seeing the words &quot;recall Dellums&quot;, but how many more huge mistakes can he make before others start getting those petitions ready again?  I am not one of them, mind you, but I know there are probably many out there boiling mad right now at him--following a weekend of 6 murders and 2 or 3 others wounded.  Will the patience--and occasional apathy of Oakland many residents continue?  Will the last straw be when 
Oakland--Lord forbid--gets voted &quot;most dangerous in US&quot; by the not-so-accurate-CQ press during one or more of the next few years, on Dellums&#039; watch?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congrats, V!  Sorry that I was too late to vote, but my hopes and wishes were with you to win!  You have taught me so much about how to be a better writer!<br />
Also, I know how much you hate seeing the words &#8220;recall Dellums&#8221;, but how many more huge mistakes can he make before others start getting those petitions ready again?  I am not one of them, mind you, but I know there are probably many out there boiling mad right now at him&#8211;following a weekend of 6 murders and 2 or 3 others wounded.  Will the patience&#8211;and occasional apathy of Oakland many residents continue?  Will the last straw be when<br />
Oakland&#8211;Lord forbid&#8211;gets voted &#8220;most dangerous in US&#8221; by the not-so-accurate-CQ press during one or more of the next few years, on Dellums&#8217; watch?</p>
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		<title>By: Moschops</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/thank-you-readers-also-deborah-edgerly/2008-06-25#comment-2510</link>
		<dc:creator>Moschops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 07:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would getting rid of the strong mayor act help?  I&#039;ve never seen the point of it myself and I&#039;ve seen video of other city councils in session and it was refreshing for the mayor to be right there - on the ball about what is going on and aware of how all the council and top-dogs are behaving (or not as the case may be).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would getting rid of the strong mayor act help?  I&#8217;ve never seen the point of it myself and I&#8217;ve seen video of other city councils in session and it was refreshing for the mayor to be right there &#8211; on the ball about what is going on and aware of how all the council and top-dogs are behaving (or not as the case may be).</p>
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		<title>By: oakie</title>
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		<dc:creator>oakie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 05:42:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Edgerly fiasco is just so over the top. Not just the long long list of alleged crimes and misbehaviors, as delineated by Chip Johnson and now Matier and Ross. It&#039;s also the examples of sycophantic defense of her by Brooks, Reid, Zennie Abraham, et. al. Not just those examples, but the room full of department heads gathered Friday, AT OUR EXPENSE, to defend the indefensible. I am not convicting her based on the published charges. She is entitled to normal due process. But she is not entitled to any extra benefits of the doubt beyond that. She should not be entitled to any more money or retirement/pension benefits than the minimum allowed under the circumstance. [Just now I heard she is negotiating for a severance package: what audacity! And maybe she&#039;ll get it!]

But fairness is not going to happen. We have such a dysfunctional city government, starting with Mayor Sleepy, that I have zero confidence that the public&#039;s best interest will be served. And serving the public&#039;s best interest is their obligation, something I see absolutely no evidence of. Zip.

And the good citizens are not blameless, either. They keep re-electing the most irresponsible and incompetent leadership I could ever imagine. It is what Alexander Hamilton called &quot;government ill executed.&quot; And that goes especially for the election of the OUSD School Board, which managed to run the district into virtual bankruptcy and continues to graduate less than half it&#039;s students.

The Oakland city government is the best poster child for bad government, and what it does to a city with incredible fundamental assets as a city, from it&#039;s weather, natural environment, proximity to SF, quality of the residents, etc..

V. Smoothe may be most interested in policy, but that would have to presume that the city is capable of governing competently. Every single program adopted in this city presumes that the city is actually capable of operational competency. I do not believe the evidence supports that trust. To me, the only path to competency in Oakland is to radically reduce the scope of responsibility of city government. Public safety (and I don&#039;t mean all those squishy programs), libraries and fixing potholes. Excluding those areas, we could drastically reduce the city government and size of the payroll. Later, if the city can prove it is capable of doing those things, then maybe they deserve our trust and added funds. The way it is now, we pay the highest tax rates and fees of any place in California (and California is among the most highly taxed places in the US) and in exchange, we get the most incompetently run city, wasting a great deal of money-a billion dollars per year, and it&#039;s the most dangerous city in America west of the Mississippi. If it looks like I&#039;m discouraged enough to pack in my bags, yeah. As soon as the real estate market turns a bit, after 28 years in this city, I need to find a place with a future where my daughter could prosper. I am sure it is not here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Edgerly fiasco is just so over the top. Not just the long long list of alleged crimes and misbehaviors, as delineated by Chip Johnson and now Matier and Ross. It&#8217;s also the examples of sycophantic defense of her by Brooks, Reid, Zennie Abraham, et. al. Not just those examples, but the room full of department heads gathered Friday, AT OUR EXPENSE, to defend the indefensible. I am not convicting her based on the published charges. She is entitled to normal due process. But she is not entitled to any extra benefits of the doubt beyond that. She should not be entitled to any more money or retirement/pension benefits than the minimum allowed under the circumstance. [Just now I heard she is negotiating for a severance package: what audacity! And maybe she'll get it!]</p>
<p>But fairness is not going to happen. We have such a dysfunctional city government, starting with Mayor Sleepy, that I have zero confidence that the public&#8217;s best interest will be served. And serving the public&#8217;s best interest is their obligation, something I see absolutely no evidence of. Zip.</p>
<p>And the good citizens are not blameless, either. They keep re-electing the most irresponsible and incompetent leadership I could ever imagine. It is what Alexander Hamilton called &#8220;government ill executed.&#8221; And that goes especially for the election of the OUSD School Board, which managed to run the district into virtual bankruptcy and continues to graduate less than half it&#8217;s students.</p>
<p>The Oakland city government is the best poster child for bad government, and what it does to a city with incredible fundamental assets as a city, from it&#8217;s weather, natural environment, proximity to SF, quality of the residents, etc..</p>
<p>V. Smoothe may be most interested in policy, but that would have to presume that the city is capable of governing competently. Every single program adopted in this city presumes that the city is actually capable of operational competency. I do not believe the evidence supports that trust. To me, the only path to competency in Oakland is to radically reduce the scope of responsibility of city government. Public safety (and I don&#8217;t mean all those squishy programs), libraries and fixing potholes. Excluding those areas, we could drastically reduce the city government and size of the payroll. Later, if the city can prove it is capable of doing those things, then maybe they deserve our trust and added funds. The way it is now, we pay the highest tax rates and fees of any place in California (and California is among the most highly taxed places in the US) and in exchange, we get the most incompetently run city, wasting a great deal of money-a billion dollars per year, and it&#8217;s the most dangerous city in America west of the Mississippi. If it looks like I&#8217;m discouraged enough to pack in my bags, yeah. As soon as the real estate market turns a bit, after 28 years in this city, I need to find a place with a future where my daughter could prosper. I am sure it is not here.</p>
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		<title>By: m30</title>
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		<dc:creator>m30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 02:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alameda, where a lot of people seem to sort of hate and/or fear Oakland, has a lot to offer, but its &#039;small town&#039; mistique can be a little suffocating. Oakland on the other hand, has a &#039;live and let live&#039; attitude that can be very appealing, though it often seems to cross the line into lawlessness and incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alameda, where a lot of people seem to sort of hate and/or fear Oakland, has a lot to offer, but its &#8216;small town&#8217; mistique can be a little suffocating. Oakland on the other hand, has a &#8216;live and let live&#8217; attitude that can be very appealing, though it often seems to cross the line into lawlessness and incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
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		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alameda and Concord/Clayton might not be as exciting as our beloved Oakland, but Do and the Mayor are both serious metrobloggers filling a very real coverage void in their respective communities. They deserve props.

Also, aww. Thank you, Max!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alameda and Concord/Clayton might not be as exciting as our beloved Oakland, but Do and the Mayor are both serious metrobloggers filling a very real coverage void in their respective communities. They deserve props.</p>
<p>Also, aww. Thank you, Max!</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:42:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lauren Do? - Alameda is nice, but boring.

Mayor of Claycord? - Byotch crashed my firefox!

V, I voted for you the first day the poll was up.  I&#039;m willing to be that you got at least 4504 votes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lauren Do? &#8211; Alameda is nice, but boring.</p>
<p>Mayor of Claycord? &#8211; Byotch crashed my firefox!</p>
<p>V, I voted for you the first day the poll was up.  I&#8217;m willing to be that you got at least 4504 votes.</p>
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