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By: len raphael

len raphael — Thu, 26 Feb 2009 05:02:09 +0000

i received a mailer no on oo shortly before the election which listed, most if not all council members and maybe dellums also. too late to affect absentee voters, and too poorly done to counter that class OO smiling child poster. I’ve kept that yes on OO mailer because it was so well done.

R, the way things are looking, before we’re out of this economic trough we might well have to slash 20% of the general fund expenditures, not 10%. that’s what 200Mill?
Heck, a council and mayor that played around w Y and and LLAD, various interfund balances, should be able to trot Russo out to get a cya letter to define half of the general fund spending as child related.

By: Max Allstadt

Max Allstadt — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:29:40 +0000

So that’s two School Board Members and one School Board Member-Elect (at the time of the vote). Hammill was against OO. Did any of the other members speak against it, or did they all just stay mum?

By: DontBotherDelores

DontBotherDelores — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:16:34 +0000

David Kakishiba, Greg Hodge, Jumoke Hodge were all for OO. Mrs. Hodge even spoke in favor of it at the Finance meeting. These people broke our school district once and they have no problem doing it to the city either.

By: Charles Pine

Charles Pine — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 20:07:57 +0000

In 2006 Quan raised $150,000 to campaign for her Measure N ($148 million in bonds, build a palace library downtown that neighborhood youth will not go to). Maybe she raised one-tenth that to print yard signs against OO.

Kernighan’s suggestion to consider taxation as a whole rather than topic by topic shows up Quan on the parks parcel tax: she lost twice on increasing the LLAD and she wants to restore her reputation as the one who can pass tax increases.

By: Max Allstadt

Max Allstadt — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:28:07 +0000

Ralph, I don’t entirely believe in the decency of man. I believe that simplistic campaigns can be very effective. We need to retaliate against OO advocates with the same simplistic campaigning they used to win. The only difference will be that our underlying logic won’t be flawed, and our message won’t be a big fat lie.

By: Ralph

Ralph — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 19:00:53 +0000

len, that was essentially my point. but let me see if i understand, you rather us be saddled with this monstrosity of a measure rather than have cc repeal it.

(i think one of the people who actually realized the stupidity of the measure was one of the authors. admittedly it was qualified – he did not think this was the right time to introduce this measure. i think that was shortly before the election. do i understand correctly.)

max, i am glad you still believe in the decency of man. i wish a campaign of 11 out of 11 say no on OO would have defeated it. some people i talked to kept reiterating the same tired crap – you must vote for the kids. others talked about the people must be heard. what is deeply disturbing is people think afterschool programs for less than 5% of the students are going to fill void for the 90% of OUSD students who are 5 grade levels below where they should be is going to make an appreciable difference.

By: Max Allstadt

Max Allstadt — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:14:11 +0000

They could have done a much better job of fighting it. 11 out of 11 major elected officials voted against it.

Of the five competing candidates for council seats, off the top of my head, I know Sean Sullivan, Pat McCullough and Kerry Hammill were against it. Anybody know about Gilmore or Juarez?

Kerry Hammill, by the way, also counts as one member of the School Board who was against it. Anybody know about the others?

There were also a bunch of people who run youth services organizations who voted against it. I know at least one who wasn’t super public about it, but who knows, that might change.

Seriously one flyer that said “11 out of 11″ on it, and this thing would be toast.

By: V Smoothe

V Smoothe — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 16:01:10 +0000

Len, not sure where you heard that, but you must be misinterpreting something Quan said. She, of course, is allowed to take a position on measures on the ballot, and was, in fact, very vocal about her opposition to OO. One could argue that she could have done a better job fighting it, but with her passing out No on OO signs from her booth at like every street festival this summer, there’s no way anyone can accuse her of being unclear about her position.

By: len raphael

len raphael — Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:56:55 +0000

R, Impossible to prove, council members, including the two runoff candidates for at large, didn’t do sht to defeat OO because they knew it would probably win and they knew they were too ineffectual to change the outcome. other than a couple of public statements, there was one postcard with bad graphics stating the council’s opposition to OO. Jean Q said something to the effect that she was not allowed to take position on ballot measures.

even now, they don’t have the cajunes to make the massive cuts in the programs and salaries most of them overfunded over the last decade. so my tendency is not to toss them a life preserver by supporting the repeal of OO when they haven’t made the fundamental permanent financial changes we’ll need even after this crisis.