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		<title>By: James H. Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>James H. Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 22:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We know of benefits from crime, but who benefits from gentrification?  By gentrification, I mean the influx of new middle to upper income homeowners.

Current homeowners are the #1 beneficiaries of gentrification.  Why?  Because an influx of new homeowners tends to raise the home values of current residents.  Also, gentrification  gives retail a reason to locate in a neighborhood.  Those retail establishments provide jobs, which also lifts up a community.  

Governments are the #2 beneficiaries of gentrification.  To start with, Oakland makes money from transfer taxes when a home is sold.  Then Alameda County makes money from real estate taxes from the newly-bought home.  A new homeowner is likely to buy new stuff for the new home, and  hopefully, that stuff will be bought in Oakland.  That provides sales taxes for Oakland.

Believe it or not, renters can also benefit from gentrification, assuming they can cope with higher rents.  With new homeowners come new business, new services, and a new willingness to protect their investments by looking after the community.

So the &quot;middle class&quot; does benefit from gentrification.  In fact, I think the only people who do NOT benefit are chronic renters who cannot handle rent increases.  However, what is gained usually outweighs what is lost.  That&#039;s why I applaud City Councilman Larry Reid for encouraging development along MacArthur Boulevard.

Now, back to factories.  I find it interesting how cities like South San Francisco and Emeryville are able to transition away from having a bunch of factories, yet people in Oakland tend to whine about the lost jobs instead of preparing for the new economy.  Thank God for people like Van Jones and the Ella Baker Center!  They will hopefully drag Oakland into the post-manufacturing future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We know of benefits from crime, but who benefits from gentrification?  By gentrification, I mean the influx of new middle to upper income homeowners.</p>
<p>Current homeowners are the #1 beneficiaries of gentrification.  Why?  Because an influx of new homeowners tends to raise the home values of current residents.  Also, gentrification  gives retail a reason to locate in a neighborhood.  Those retail establishments provide jobs, which also lifts up a community.  </p>
<p>Governments are the #2 beneficiaries of gentrification.  To start with, Oakland makes money from transfer taxes when a home is sold.  Then Alameda County makes money from real estate taxes from the newly-bought home.  A new homeowner is likely to buy new stuff for the new home, and  hopefully, that stuff will be bought in Oakland.  That provides sales taxes for Oakland.</p>
<p>Believe it or not, renters can also benefit from gentrification, assuming they can cope with higher rents.  With new homeowners come new business, new services, and a new willingness to protect their investments by looking after the community.</p>
<p>So the &#8220;middle class&#8221; does benefit from gentrification.  In fact, I think the only people who do NOT benefit are chronic renters who cannot handle rent increases.  However, what is gained usually outweighs what is lost.  That&#8217;s why I applaud City Councilman Larry Reid for encouraging development along MacArthur Boulevard.</p>
<p>Now, back to factories.  I find it interesting how cities like South San Francisco and Emeryville are able to transition away from having a bunch of factories, yet people in Oakland tend to whine about the lost jobs instead of preparing for the new economy.  Thank God for people like Van Jones and the Ella Baker Center!  They will hopefully drag Oakland into the post-manufacturing future.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brell, tattoo shops make money hand over fist.  They don&#039;t need cheap rent.  tattoo artists are often some of the most well off bohemian types you&#039;l meet.  

As for the rest you have some excellent points.

Artists may benefit temporarily, but the likely long term outcome is that we&#039;ll create stability and beauty in old warehouses, and then the speculators will benefit when land values go up and its time to kick us out.  It&#039;s true artists don&#039;t want to create gentrification, but we also don&#039;t like being surrounded by thugs and junkies.  

The &quot;middle class&quot; you speak of won&#039;t benefit from gentrification either.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brell, tattoo shops make money hand over fist.  They don&#8217;t need cheap rent.  tattoo artists are often some of the most well off bohemian types you&#8217;l meet.  </p>
<p>As for the rest you have some excellent points.</p>
<p>Artists may benefit temporarily, but the likely long term outcome is that we&#8217;ll create stability and beauty in old warehouses, and then the speculators will benefit when land values go up and its time to kick us out.  It&#8217;s true artists don&#8217;t want to create gentrification, but we also don&#8217;t like being surrounded by thugs and junkies.  </p>
<p>The &#8220;middle class&#8221; you speak of won&#8217;t benefit from gentrification either.</p>
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		<title>By: brell</title>
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		<dc:creator>brell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 01:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James, good point. Sadly we have all these whiny white liberals saying &quot;no police state&quot; and other bullsh**. And most of those want Brunner and Tucker to stay in power.

As for why no political will... SOMEONE must be benefitting from all this crime. Otherwise, it wouldn&#039;t happen.

Who&#039;s benefitting?

* real estate speculators/developers: lower cost land purchasing
* local warlords, aka gang/ethnic mafia leadership: drug dealing shot callers
* whoever runs and operates prison systems around the US -- many CA inmates get shipped to private, for-profit, corporate prisons out of state in small towns which formerly had FACTORIES and now have penal pens shuffling around urban city inmates, as &quot;jobs&quot;
* emeryville, san francisco
* CashAdvance loan shark operators
* liquor store/laundry mat owners
* any shops needing cheap rent to survive (how many tattoo shops r on Telegraph?)
* artists and others who consider themselves not of the &quot;gentrification&quot; crowd
* nonprofits and charities which focus on low income/domestic violence
* local hospitals, insurance companies which process injured citizens at high cost
* security service companies: ADT, etc


Who&#039;s NOT benefitting:

* 90% of Oakland residents (mostly former &quot;middle class&quot; americans)
* neighboring cities&#039; residents


Other reasons we have so much crime, besides a Lame Duck Police Chief (Wayne Tucker) and no more high paying factory jobs (well, at least our largest private banks, aka &quot;federal&quot; reserve, and the growing CHINESE middle class have money!!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James, good point. Sadly we have all these whiny white liberals saying &#8220;no police state&#8221; and other bullsh**. And most of those want Brunner and Tucker to stay in power.</p>
<p>As for why no political will&#8230; SOMEONE must be benefitting from all this crime. Otherwise, it wouldn&#8217;t happen.</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s benefitting?</p>
<p>* real estate speculators/developers: lower cost land purchasing<br />
* local warlords, aka gang/ethnic mafia leadership: drug dealing shot callers<br />
* whoever runs and operates prison systems around the US &#8212; many CA inmates get shipped to private, for-profit, corporate prisons out of state in small towns which formerly had FACTORIES and now have penal pens shuffling around urban city inmates, as &#8220;jobs&#8221;<br />
* emeryville, san francisco<br />
* CashAdvance loan shark operators<br />
* liquor store/laundry mat owners<br />
* any shops needing cheap rent to survive (how many tattoo shops r on Telegraph?)<br />
* artists and others who consider themselves not of the &#8220;gentrification&#8221; crowd<br />
* nonprofits and charities which focus on low income/domestic violence<br />
* local hospitals, insurance companies which process injured citizens at high cost<br />
* security service companies: ADT, etc</p>
<p>Who&#8217;s NOT benefitting:</p>
<p>* 90% of Oakland residents (mostly former &#8220;middle class&#8221; americans)<br />
* neighboring cities&#8217; residents</p>
<p>Other reasons we have so much crime, besides a Lame Duck Police Chief (Wayne Tucker) and no more high paying factory jobs (well, at least our largest private banks, aka &#8220;federal&#8221; reserve, and the growing CHINESE middle class have money!!)</p>
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		<title>By: James H. Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>James H. Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:40:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unfortunately, the day of the factories in America, let alone the expensive Bay area, is coming to a close.  We need to accept that, just like we accepted the fact that the farming age ended.  The forefathers of the current Oakland black community understood this implicitly.  They journeyed here from the plantations of the South, they adapted.  How can we help Oakland adapt?  I don&#039;t think we can do it by attempting to bring back yesterday.  Instead, we need to draw new businesses to Oakland.  For example, why is Pixar in Emeryville and not Oakland?  Why are so many biotech companies in Emeryville and South San Francisco instead of Oakland?  One big answer:  CRIME.  Businesses will not see Oakland as a safe place to do business unless they see a bigger police presence.  In fact, last week&#039;s East Bay Business Times discussed this.  Even small, entrepreneurial businesses that are already in Oakland are voicing this opinion.  We need more police on the streets and drastic measures might be necessary to make it happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, the day of the factories in America, let alone the expensive Bay area, is coming to a close.  We need to accept that, just like we accepted the fact that the farming age ended.  The forefathers of the current Oakland black community understood this implicitly.  They journeyed here from the plantations of the South, they adapted.  How can we help Oakland adapt?  I don&#8217;t think we can do it by attempting to bring back yesterday.  Instead, we need to draw new businesses to Oakland.  For example, why is Pixar in Emeryville and not Oakland?  Why are so many biotech companies in Emeryville and South San Francisco instead of Oakland?  One big answer:  CRIME.  Businesses will not see Oakland as a safe place to do business unless they see a bigger police presence.  In fact, last week&#8217;s East Bay Business Times discussed this.  Even small, entrepreneurial businesses that are already in Oakland are voicing this opinion.  We need more police on the streets and drastic measures might be necessary to make it happen.</p>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
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		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 17:27:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The closure of the city jail returned 5 sworn officers to front-line police work and eliminated 89 civilian positions. Some of those employees moved into other jobs within the City, some did not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The closure of the city jail returned 5 sworn officers to front-line police work and eliminated 89 civilian positions. Some of those employees moved into other jobs within the City, some did not.</p>
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		<title>By: Californio</title>
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		<dc:creator>Californio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 15:29:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone notice this, buried inside the 4/10/08 Inside Bay Area report on Marcus Johnson&#039;s 1075 OPD cops petition? How much is this  new &quot;Deputy Chief of Staff&quot;  getting paid, at a time when we&#039;re having trouble implementing Measure Y? Maybe Charles Pine and Marcus Johnson are right: the resources are there, it&#039;s the political will that&#039;s lacking. 


(Start clip)


When Dellums added a new deputy chief of staff last month, he did so in typical Dellums fashion _ quietly.

The mayor made no announcement about it, but Leslie Littleton joined his staff March 10. Prior to that, she had worked as a district director for Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Oakland, for about a year.

Asked what her duties would be Rose said ``to support the mayor and chief of staff on day-to-day operations in the Mayor&#039;s Office.&#039;&#039;

Rose said there was no particular reason why Dellums didn&#039;t publicize the hiring when it happened.

``Leslie&#039;s been out in the community talking to community organizations, talking to residents of Oakland and introducing herself proactively,&#039;&#039; Rose said. ``There&#039;s no decision not to send anything out.&#039;&#039;

(End clip)


Out in the community talking to community organizations? Fine, but not on my dime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone notice this, buried inside the 4/10/08 Inside Bay Area report on Marcus Johnson&#8217;s 1075 OPD cops petition? How much is this  new &#8220;Deputy Chief of Staff&#8221;  getting paid, at a time when we&#8217;re having trouble implementing Measure Y? Maybe Charles Pine and Marcus Johnson are right: the resources are there, it&#8217;s the political will that&#8217;s lacking. </p>
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<p>When Dellums added a new deputy chief of staff last month, he did so in typical Dellums fashion _ quietly.</p>
<p>The mayor made no announcement about it, but Leslie Littleton joined his staff March 10. Prior to that, she had worked as a district director for Rep. Barbara Lee, D-Oakland, for about a year.</p>
<p>Asked what her duties would be Rose said &#8220;to support the mayor and chief of staff on day-to-day operations in the Mayor&#8217;s Office.&#8221;</p>
<p>Rose said there was no particular reason why Dellums didn&#8217;t publicize the hiring when it happened.</p>
<p>&#8220;Leslie&#8217;s been out in the community talking to community organizations, talking to residents of Oakland and introducing herself proactively,&#8221; Rose said. &#8220;There&#8217;s no decision not to send anything out.&#8221;</p>
<p>(End clip)</p>
<p>Out in the community talking to community organizations? Fine, but not on my dime.</p>
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		<title>By: brell</title>
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		<dc:creator>brell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 10:38:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oakland needs some high paying jobs, is what oakland needs.

yet we get flooded with cheap asian imports from china/india/et al.

http://elainemeinelsupkis.typepad.com/war_and_peace/2008/04/jimmy-carter-ta.html

read more here.

at least nadel&#039;s opening a chocolate factory. small, but every factory we can commandeer, counts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oakland needs some high paying jobs, is what oakland needs.</p>
<p>yet we get flooded with cheap asian imports from china/india/et al.</p>
<p><a href="http://elainemeinelsupkis.typepad.com/war_and_peace/2008/04/jimmy-carter-ta.html" rel="nofollow">http://elainemeinelsupkis.typepad.com/war_and_peace/2008/04/jimmy-carter-ta.html</a></p>
<p>read more here.</p>
<p>at least nadel&#8217;s opening a chocolate factory. small, but every factory we can commandeer, counts.</p>
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		<title>By: ConcernedOakFF</title>
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		<dc:creator>ConcernedOakFF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The city jail was also closed due to &quot;concerns&quot; about earthquake survivability.

V -

The jail was not staffed by officers, it was staffed by 75 corrections officers that were fired when the city gave up the jail.

They had people in place within that infrastructure to do transports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The city jail was also closed due to &#8220;concerns&#8221; about earthquake survivability.</p>
<p>V -</p>
<p>The jail was not staffed by officers, it was staffed by 75 corrections officers that were fired when the city gave up the jail.</p>
<p>They had people in place within that infrastructure to do transports.</p>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
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		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 23:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG, getting into a fight about the city jail was &lt;i&gt;so&lt;/i&gt; not on my list of things to do today. The short story is that we closed the jail to solve a budget shortfall and, as usual, did not adequately consider the ramifications of the decision beforehand. Now we have fully sworn officers wasting hours driving to Santa Rita even though the County has a perfectly good detention facility right next door. Yet another area where Alameda County fails Oakland. I&#039;ll post about the jail saga soon. If nothing else, it will be a guaranteed comment generator.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG, getting into a fight about the city jail was <i>so</i> not on my list of things to do today. The short story is that we closed the jail to solve a budget shortfall and, as usual, did not adequately consider the ramifications of the decision beforehand. Now we have fully sworn officers wasting hours driving to Santa Rita even though the County has a perfectly good detention facility right next door. Yet another area where Alameda County fails Oakland. I&#8217;ll post about the jail saga soon. If nothing else, it will be a guaranteed comment generator.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FF- 
Point well taken.  Then again, I&#039;ve talked to a few at length, and they really do have something to say about all of this if you get them going.  Maybe a union guy?  Anyway, yeah.  Point taken.

V-  why did the jail close?  what&#039;s it being used for now?  can I shoot my women&#039;s prison movie in it if I call the right people?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FF-<br />
Point well taken.  Then again, I&#8217;ve talked to a few at length, and they really do have something to say about all of this if you get them going.  Maybe a union guy?  Anyway, yeah.  Point taken.</p>
<p>V-  why did the jail close?  what&#8217;s it being used for now?  can I shoot my women&#8217;s prison movie in it if I call the right people?</p>
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