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	<title>Comments on: Save the arts? At the expense of what, exactly?</title>
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		<title>By: Kevin Cook</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/save-the-arts-at-the-expense-of-what-exactly/2008-10-21#comment-14959</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Cook</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 20:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Mike brings up a good point when he asks what exactly are we getting in the way of publicly accessible art for our 1.4 million.   It appears that at least half of that money goes towards what I would term arts education as opposed to actual art creation by either individual artists or artists organizations.  As a teacher, I&#039;m all in favor of providing further opportunities for arts education, especially for young people.  However, as DTO510 points out in his comment in the No on OO post, it would seem that some of these arts education non-profits should be able to get some of the $10 million Kids First money.  

I&#039;m suggesting that its easier to rally people to the banner of the arts than it is to the banner of arts education.  The endless rhetoric of how much working artists add to the cultural strength of our city motivates &quot;the troops&quot; as Max calls them, far more than the telling people that the Prescott Circus Theater won&#039;t be getting their 35 grand to teach kids clowning or that Attitudinal Healing Connection won&#039;t be receiving 15 grand to teach kids to draw superheroes that reflect their self-esteem.  No doubt these programs have tremendous value for the children, but I&#039;ll go out on a limb and say that I don&#039;t think they add much to the arts/culture scene that your average citizen might want to check out during the evening (However, I&#039;ve seen First Friday shows that look like they&#039;re more about the artists attempt at juvenile self-affirmation than a sophisticated engagement with the question of art)

Mike, I&#039;m betting that the guys on your rugby team are getting much the same value on the pitch that those kids under the big top are.  However, &quot;sports grants&quot; don&#039;t play as well as &quot;arts grants&quot; do in this town.  Moreover, I&#039;m betting you volunteer your time right?  If you had a whole non-profit structure set-up upon which your livelihood depended (as do many in these arts education organizations) you&#039;d also be more motivated to head down to City Hall and claim that if you don&#039;t get your grant than the cultural life of the city would wither on the vine (as would your salary) 

Finally, what does the Crucible need with 50 grand of our money?  If you want to learn to weld you can head down to Laney for a fraction of the cost of the Crucible.  Whenever I get invited to one of their events the price tag is always like $50 which doesn&#039;t seem especially community friendly.  Besides, teaching people fire performance doesn&#039;t add to the cultural scene in the City of Oakland; it contributes to the scene at Black Rock City, which doesn&#039;t need any encouragement as far as I can tell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Mike brings up a good point when he asks what exactly are we getting in the way of publicly accessible art for our 1.4 million.   It appears that at least half of that money goes towards what I would term arts education as opposed to actual art creation by either individual artists or artists organizations.  As a teacher, I&#8217;m all in favor of providing further opportunities for arts education, especially for young people.  However, as DTO510 points out in his comment in the No on OO post, it would seem that some of these arts education non-profits should be able to get some of the $10 million Kids First money.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m suggesting that its easier to rally people to the banner of the arts than it is to the banner of arts education.  The endless rhetoric of how much working artists add to the cultural strength of our city motivates &#8220;the troops&#8221; as Max calls them, far more than the telling people that the Prescott Circus Theater won&#8217;t be getting their 35 grand to teach kids clowning or that Attitudinal Healing Connection won&#8217;t be receiving 15 grand to teach kids to draw superheroes that reflect their self-esteem.  No doubt these programs have tremendous value for the children, but I&#8217;ll go out on a limb and say that I don&#8217;t think they add much to the arts/culture scene that your average citizen might want to check out during the evening (However, I&#8217;ve seen First Friday shows that look like they&#8217;re more about the artists attempt at juvenile self-affirmation than a sophisticated engagement with the question of art)</p>
<p>Mike, I&#8217;m betting that the guys on your rugby team are getting much the same value on the pitch that those kids under the big top are.  However, &#8220;sports grants&#8221; don&#8217;t play as well as &#8220;arts grants&#8221; do in this town.  Moreover, I&#8217;m betting you volunteer your time right?  If you had a whole non-profit structure set-up upon which your livelihood depended (as do many in these arts education organizations) you&#8217;d also be more motivated to head down to City Hall and claim that if you don&#8217;t get your grant than the cultural life of the city would wither on the vine (as would your salary) </p>
<p>Finally, what does the Crucible need with 50 grand of our money?  If you want to learn to weld you can head down to Laney for a fraction of the cost of the Crucible.  Whenever I get invited to one of their events the price tag is always like $50 which doesn&#8217;t seem especially community friendly.  Besides, teaching people fire performance doesn&#8217;t add to the cultural scene in the City of Oakland; it contributes to the scene at Black Rock City, which doesn&#8217;t need any encouragement as far as I can tell.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Spencer</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/save-the-arts-at-the-expense-of-what-exactly/2008-10-21#comment-14799</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Spencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 09:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I read about &quot;arts&quot; I would like to see a breakdown vs. other areas.  I am a home owner/tax payer, guess we all are.  What exactly is/are the &quot;arts&quot; that the City funds?  I coach a high school rugby club and we can&#039;t even get field space where our kids live, Fruitvale.  $42 million is a huge hole.  Everyone has to feel the pain, from Police union to the arts to Council staffs to the Mayor&#039;s office to other unions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I read about &#8220;arts&#8221; I would like to see a breakdown vs. other areas.  I am a home owner/tax payer, guess we all are.  What exactly is/are the &#8220;arts&#8221; that the City funds?  I coach a high school rugby club and we can&#8217;t even get field space where our kids live, Fruitvale.  $42 million is a huge hole.  Everyone has to feel the pain, from Police union to the arts to Council staffs to the Mayor&#8217;s office to other unions.</p>
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		<title>By: David Oertel</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/save-the-arts-at-the-expense-of-what-exactly/2008-10-21#comment-14712</link>
		<dc:creator>David Oertel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Oct 2008 02:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max,

About the wizard-of-oz moment.  It seems like whoever designed that whole 2-minute experience, with the entire city council sitting behind that massive desk and kind of towering over you and the clock ticking away, to make sure that you only do that once and never come back.  Even I broke into a cold sweat and I was only watching on KTOP!  Anyway, good job pulling it off.  The artists usually get kicked around by the cops, developers, businesses, you name it.  It was surreal to see you artists wield some actual power for a change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max,</p>
<p>About the wizard-of-oz moment.  It seems like whoever designed that whole 2-minute experience, with the entire city council sitting behind that massive desk and kind of towering over you and the clock ticking away, to make sure that you only do that once and never come back.  Even I broke into a cold sweat and I was only watching on KTOP!  Anyway, good job pulling it off.  The artists usually get kicked around by the cops, developers, businesses, you name it.  It was surreal to see you artists wield some actual power for a change.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 23:10:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, a technicality.  Parade funds are grants.  They come from the Cultural Arts Department, but they aren&#039;t part of the Cultural Arts Grants program.   I can see how anybody could muddle that up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, a technicality.  Parade funds are grants.  They come from the Cultural Arts Department, but they aren&#8217;t part of the Cultural Arts Grants program.   I can see how anybody could muddle that up.</p>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
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		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. That&#039;s in the Cultural Arts department, but not part of the Cultural Arts funding program.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. That&#8217;s in the Cultural Arts department, but not part of the Cultural Arts funding program.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/save-the-arts-at-the-expense-of-what-exactly/2008-10-21#comment-14669</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:42:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>V, 

I think you and Dave might be differing here on wording or line items, not the effect.
Didn&#039;t the parade and festival funds originally come out of Cultural Arts Grants?  If it did, there&#039;s a net loss of grants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>V, </p>
<p>I think you and Dave might be differing here on wording or line items, not the effect.<br />
Didn&#8217;t the parade and festival funds originally come out of Cultural Arts Grants?  If it did, there&#8217;s a net loss of grants.</p>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
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		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, accuracy is important. David, the Council did not make a decision to &quot;reduce&quot; the grants available through the Cultural Arts funding program, they preserved them in their entirety. I understand that people want to make everyone excited about their cause, but that doesn&#039;t justify being casual with the truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, accuracy is important. David, the Council did not make a decision to &#8220;reduce&#8221; the grants available through the Cultural Arts funding program, they preserved them in their entirety. I understand that people want to make everyone excited about their cause, but that doesn&#8217;t justify being casual with the truth.</p>
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		<title>By: David Huff</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/save-the-arts-at-the-expense-of-what-exactly/2008-10-21#comment-14666</link>
		<dc:creator>David Huff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 22:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>V Smoothe,

Thank you for hosting this dialog on your site. 

I think some of the what what may seem like mis-representation over the call to save arts funding in Oakland has been in what we mean by &#039;funding&#039;.

When I talk about last night&#039;s budget eliminating art funding in Oakland, I am talking about the elimination of Oakland as a funding source for artists and organizations. It is true that the &quot;percent for art&quot; public art  program was not being shut down, but that money is specifically purposed for commissioning site-specific artworks. It also, as I understand it, has no stipulation that the money be given to Oakland artists. So while it can be called &quot;arts funding&quot; in that it is money that is going towards increasing the amount of art in Oakland, it does not &quot;fund the arts&quot; because it does not necessarily support Oakland&#039;s artistic community.

The truth of the matter is that, the city of Oakland&#039;s cultural funding program is the only avenue individual artist projects, artists in schools, and arts organizations have of getting support from Oakland. With every dollar we receive, we are able to leverage an average of $9 form funding sources outside the city. Without the city&#039;s support over a dozen organizations like mine would be forced to close our doors.

We can disagree as to how relatively important the services provided at those arts organizations are compared to other programs that were in danger of being cut, but for the the vast majority of artists, art is school programs, and arts organizations, the Cultural Funding program is the only support available to us from the city of Oakland. I&#039;m glad they made the decision to reduce, rather than eliminate it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>V Smoothe,</p>
<p>Thank you for hosting this dialog on your site. </p>
<p>I think some of the what what may seem like mis-representation over the call to save arts funding in Oakland has been in what we mean by &#8216;funding&#8217;.</p>
<p>When I talk about last night&#8217;s budget eliminating art funding in Oakland, I am talking about the elimination of Oakland as a funding source for artists and organizations. It is true that the &#8220;percent for art&#8221; public art  program was not being shut down, but that money is specifically purposed for commissioning site-specific artworks. It also, as I understand it, has no stipulation that the money be given to Oakland artists. So while it can be called &#8220;arts funding&#8221; in that it is money that is going towards increasing the amount of art in Oakland, it does not &#8220;fund the arts&#8221; because it does not necessarily support Oakland&#8217;s artistic community.</p>
<p>The truth of the matter is that, the city of Oakland&#8217;s cultural funding program is the only avenue individual artist projects, artists in schools, and arts organizations have of getting support from Oakland. With every dollar we receive, we are able to leverage an average of $9 form funding sources outside the city. Without the city&#8217;s support over a dozen organizations like mine would be forced to close our doors.</p>
<p>We can disagree as to how relatively important the services provided at those arts organizations are compared to other programs that were in danger of being cut, but for the the vast majority of artists, art is school programs, and arts organizations, the Cultural Funding program is the only support available to us from the city of Oakland. I&#8217;m glad they made the decision to reduce, rather than eliminate it.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:35:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wizard of Oz?  That&#039;s giving me WAY WAY too much credit.  The emails probably solved the problem before we even got to council chambers.  All I did was go to one meeting at Pro Arts, regurgitate V&#039;s speaking tips, and pass around ceded speaker cards to key people last night.

NN doesn&#039;t take from the general fund, David.  And remember, I finally came around and voted no on that one.

As for the devil&#039;s advocate question...  I encourage you to get out and look at what some of the grantees are doing.  That&#039;s all the answer I feel I need to give.  Nobody likes all art, but if you went looking at what private money does in Oakland, and what public money does in Oakland, I&#039;d bet you&#039;d give thumbs up to at least an equal percentage of public and private projects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wizard of Oz?  That&#8217;s giving me WAY WAY too much credit.  The emails probably solved the problem before we even got to council chambers.  All I did was go to one meeting at Pro Arts, regurgitate V&#8217;s speaking tips, and pass around ceded speaker cards to key people last night.</p>
<p>NN doesn&#8217;t take from the general fund, David.  And remember, I finally came around and voted no on that one.</p>
<p>As for the devil&#8217;s advocate question&#8230;  I encourage you to get out and look at what some of the grantees are doing.  That&#8217;s all the answer I feel I need to give.  Nobody likes all art, but if you went looking at what private money does in Oakland, and what public money does in Oakland, I&#8217;d bet you&#8217;d give thumbs up to at least an equal percentage of public and private projects.</p>
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		<title>By: David Oertel</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Oertel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max

So what about NN?  Shouldn&#039;t you apply the same logic to NN?

I saw part of the council meeting on KTOP and I caught your wizard-of-Oz moment in front of the great and powerful city council.  So congratulations on keeping the arts funding.  However, doesn&#039;t taking money from the city for arts lead to your expression being dumbed down by pedestrian, banal interests from so-called religious people, the business community, cultural bigots, etc?  Personally, I support the arts at every opportunity, but I had to ask this devil&#039;s-advocate question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max</p>
<p>So what about NN?  Shouldn&#8217;t you apply the same logic to NN?</p>
<p>I saw part of the council meeting on KTOP and I caught your wizard-of-Oz moment in front of the great and powerful city council.  So congratulations on keeping the arts funding.  However, doesn&#8217;t taking money from the city for arts lead to your expression being dumbed down by pedestrian, banal interests from so-called religious people, the business community, cultural bigots, etc?  Personally, I support the arts at every opportunity, but I had to ask this devil&#8217;s-advocate question.</p>
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