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		<title>By: cp</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/rezoning-downtown-for-better-and-for-worse/2009-04-15#comment-108652</link>
		<dc:creator>cp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 21:03:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re billboards:

I don&#039;t mind ads painted on buildings, but elevated billboards are fugly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re billboards:</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t mind ads painted on buildings, but elevated billboards are fugly.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken O</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/rezoning-downtown-for-better-and-for-worse/2009-04-15#comment-108646</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 20:13:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For people interested in urban design, this is a great reference book:

http://www.amazon.com/Sustainable-Urbanism-Urban-Design-Nature/dp/047177751X/ref=pd_sim_b_7</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For people interested in urban design, this is a great reference book:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/Sustainable-Urbanism-Urban-Design-Nature/dp/047177751X/ref=pd_sim_b_7" rel="nofollow">http://www.amazon.com/Sustainable-Urbanism-Urban-Design-Nature/dp/047177751X/ref=pd_sim_b_7</a></p>
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		<title>By: Naomi Schiff</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/rezoning-downtown-for-better-and-for-worse/2009-04-15#comment-108643</link>
		<dc:creator>Naomi Schiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 19:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My business is in the Press Building (and helps hide its self-storage interior). The Press Building was long ago a theater, then housed the huge web presses of the Trib. Thus the interior does not have windows, requiring enormous renovation to use as housing or office. The owners did explore that option. But now, the storage spaces are not all occupied! There is an ample supply of storage for now, at least. My business used to rent space at the Beacon place at Grand and San P. and I believe they have space available too. So far, there is no shortage, and rates are fairly comparable. 

Also: many thanks to the people on this site who support a better-looking corner at 19th and Telegraph! I hope folks will continue to contact the city council on this point. We don&#039;t need more unsightly surface parking.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My business is in the Press Building (and helps hide its self-storage interior). The Press Building was long ago a theater, then housed the huge web presses of the Trib. Thus the interior does not have windows, requiring enormous renovation to use as housing or office. The owners did explore that option. But now, the storage spaces are not all occupied! There is an ample supply of storage for now, at least. My business used to rent space at the Beacon place at Grand and San P. and I believe they have space available too. So far, there is no shortage, and rates are fairly comparable. </p>
<p>Also: many thanks to the people on this site who support a better-looking corner at 19th and Telegraph! I hope folks will continue to contact the city council on this point. We don&#8217;t need more unsightly surface parking.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Kidd</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/rezoning-downtown-for-better-and-for-worse/2009-04-15#comment-108414</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Kidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Apr 2009 00:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wouldn&#039;t a compatibility basis for design guidelines encourage a much looser and arbitrary system for building design?  I want to encourage imagination and variation in the architectural plans for new construction, but not at the expense of installing a murky design guildeline system that could bog down the approval process.  Part of the whole zoning update process was to take away the reliance upon sercuring variants in zoning when doing new construction and replace it with something clearer.  I feel like using compatibility as the driving force for design guidelines would leave a lot of wiggle room which would replace one of downtown&#039;s existing zoning problems with the same problem, just from a different angle.  Don&#039;t get me wrong, this type of design guideline could work and be great; it could also have terrible side consequences.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wouldn&#8217;t a compatibility basis for design guidelines encourage a much looser and arbitrary system for building design?  I want to encourage imagination and variation in the architectural plans for new construction, but not at the expense of installing a murky design guildeline system that could bog down the approval process.  Part of the whole zoning update process was to take away the reliance upon sercuring variants in zoning when doing new construction and replace it with something clearer.  I feel like using compatibility as the driving force for design guidelines would leave a lot of wiggle room which would replace one of downtown&#8217;s existing zoning problems with the same problem, just from a different angle.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, this type of design guideline could work and be great; it could also have terrible side consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Kidd</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/rezoning-downtown-for-better-and-for-worse/2009-04-15#comment-108412</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Kidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But why would you encourage design guidelines to be compatible with adjacent structures when some of the existing structures are out of line with the vision for the area?  Just because a parcel is next to a parking lot or an obsolete 1-story building in an otherwise high-rise area shouldn&#039;t preclude that parcel from being developed for high-density use.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But why would you encourage design guidelines to be compatible with adjacent structures when some of the existing structures are out of line with the vision for the area?  Just because a parcel is next to a parking lot or an obsolete 1-story building in an otherwise high-rise area shouldn&#8217;t preclude that parcel from being developed for high-density use.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael H</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/rezoning-downtown-for-better-and-for-worse/2009-04-15#comment-108399</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael H</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 22:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello all, 

After reviewing the staff report, I have come to the conclusion that &quot;fine grain&quot; approach is a fairly large waste of time and energy on the behalf of city staff. If the city is interested to develop design guidelines, then do a real urban study of existing infrastructural conditions, physical conditions of structures, and character and compatibility studies. This report utilizes a mix n&#039; match reasoning behind employing high restrictions due to the land use type, which makes no sense for new building types to be developed, that might not necessarily fit the traditional town house, or high rise residential. 

All I&#039;m saying is, if you want to amend the land use map to encourage growth of a land use type, then fine, change it based on growth patterns or best practices. Or if you want to develop design guidelines thats fine as well, but don&#039;t designate an area X-type residential and restrict the design structure specifically.

This will encourage development to be done in a very specific way, and reduce the flexibility of these structures to be reused in the future. 

I would encourage design guidelines to be developed on a compatibility basis to adjacent structures, this way the development community can develop a whole spectrum of building heights and massing organizations which will allow the flexibility of additional uses in the future. 

This report feels less like future planning but rather a series of knee jerk reactions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello all, </p>
<p>After reviewing the staff report, I have come to the conclusion that &#8220;fine grain&#8221; approach is a fairly large waste of time and energy on the behalf of city staff. If the city is interested to develop design guidelines, then do a real urban study of existing infrastructural conditions, physical conditions of structures, and character and compatibility studies. This report utilizes a mix n&#8217; match reasoning behind employing high restrictions due to the land use type, which makes no sense for new building types to be developed, that might not necessarily fit the traditional town house, or high rise residential. </p>
<p>All I&#8217;m saying is, if you want to amend the land use map to encourage growth of a land use type, then fine, change it based on growth patterns or best practices. Or if you want to develop design guidelines thats fine as well, but don&#8217;t designate an area X-type residential and restrict the design structure specifically.</p>
<p>This will encourage development to be done in a very specific way, and reduce the flexibility of these structures to be reused in the future. </p>
<p>I would encourage design guidelines to be developed on a compatibility basis to adjacent structures, this way the development community can develop a whole spectrum of building heights and massing organizations which will allow the flexibility of additional uses in the future. </p>
<p>This report feels less like future planning but rather a series of knee jerk reactions.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 21:21:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On parking by the Fox, I too was ambivalent. But last night as I passed by that horrendous parking structure on Telegraph, I realized that on a busy night this is an accident waiting to happen.  

My suggestion Somar, the Den, Uptown use the area to sponsor outdoor concerts for the grown folk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On parking by the Fox, I too was ambivalent. But last night as I passed by that horrendous parking structure on Telegraph, I realized that on a busy night this is an accident waiting to happen.  </p>
<p>My suggestion Somar, the Den, Uptown use the area to sponsor outdoor concerts for the grown folk.</p>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/rezoning-downtown-for-better-and-for-worse/2009-04-15#comment-108357</link>
		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 19:16:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, re: nurseries. A florist wouldn&#039;t be considered a nursery - those are allowed. There used to be a florist in one of the kiosks in front of City Hall, but I guess it shut down, I don&#039;t remember when, and I don&#039;t know why. I used to buy stuff from there time to time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, re: nurseries. A florist wouldn&#8217;t be considered a nursery &#8211; those are allowed. There used to be a florist in one of the kiosks in front of City Hall, but I guess it shut down, I don&#8217;t remember when, and I don&#8217;t know why. I used to buy stuff from there time to time.</p>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/rezoning-downtown-for-better-and-for-worse/2009-04-15#comment-108333</link>
		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 17:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just want to note quickly that there was a healthy amount of discussion of uses at the Planning Commission last night. Also, the Planning Commission passed the zoning onto Council. I&#039;m going to write a whole post about it, but I may not get it up until tomorrow, although my goal is later today.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just want to note quickly that there was a healthy amount of discussion of uses at the Planning Commission last night. Also, the Planning Commission passed the zoning onto Council. I&#8217;m going to write a whole post about it, but I may not get it up until tomorrow, although my goal is later today.</p>
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		<title>By: OnTheGoJo/Joanna</title>
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		<dc:creator>OnTheGoJo/Joanna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 16:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Storage in the new condos?  Ours isn&#039;t new, but we&#039;ve got hardly any storage.  Admittedly I have a fair amount of kitchen excess, but I&#039;ve reduced.  (Subtract, do not add is our household mantra.) I did see storage at Aqua Via, but it was tiny chain link compartments.  We did suggest that when buildings were in the planning phase.  Parcel areas are for incoming packages and some buildings don&#039;t have even that - which is why private mail box rentals (PMB&#039;s) are popular.  (disclosure - that would be me)

I keep excess inventory (namely boxes) in storage and occasionally need to go there to pick some up during the week.  A few times even during store hours.  In some ways it&#039;s too far as it is.  We do have an upstairs unit though.  I used to have my stuff in a different place, but their access wasn&#039;t as good; their hours not as convenient; and their facilities not as nice.  And yes, I drive there to pick up boxes even though it&#039;s all of half a mile away.

As for plant nurseries, was their a specific reason they are ruled out completely?  I can think of water as a main reason, but I think breaking up tall buildings with lots can make a city more interesting, even if others see it as a waste of space.  On the other hand, I can&#039;t see the numbers working on that kind of business.  Ironically I was looking at the kiosks in front of City Hall last night thinking that a florist might survive in one of those small spots if the rent was cheap enough.  A few potted plants for offices would fit right in, but I&#039;m not sure what the legal definition of a &quot;nursery&quot; is vs &quot;florist&quot; that sells plants.

I was originally ambivalent about parking on the vacant lot next to the Fox, and played devil&#039;s advocate in asking about why the land owner couldn&#039;t do what they wanted.  But after hearing some solid arguments (namely re pedestrians), I get it and I agree that it shouldn&#039;t be for parking.  How about those big people sculptures from the Crucible&#039;s Fire Arts Festival that are currently in a lot off Mandela?  That would be cool there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Storage in the new condos?  Ours isn&#8217;t new, but we&#8217;ve got hardly any storage.  Admittedly I have a fair amount of kitchen excess, but I&#8217;ve reduced.  (Subtract, do not add is our household mantra.) I did see storage at Aqua Via, but it was tiny chain link compartments.  We did suggest that when buildings were in the planning phase.  Parcel areas are for incoming packages and some buildings don&#8217;t have even that &#8211; which is why private mail box rentals (PMB&#8217;s) are popular.  (disclosure &#8211; that would be me)</p>
<p>I keep excess inventory (namely boxes) in storage and occasionally need to go there to pick some up during the week.  A few times even during store hours.  In some ways it&#8217;s too far as it is.  We do have an upstairs unit though.  I used to have my stuff in a different place, but their access wasn&#8217;t as good; their hours not as convenient; and their facilities not as nice.  And yes, I drive there to pick up boxes even though it&#8217;s all of half a mile away.</p>
<p>As for plant nurseries, was their a specific reason they are ruled out completely?  I can think of water as a main reason, but I think breaking up tall buildings with lots can make a city more interesting, even if others see it as a waste of space.  On the other hand, I can&#8217;t see the numbers working on that kind of business.  Ironically I was looking at the kiosks in front of City Hall last night thinking that a florist might survive in one of those small spots if the rent was cheap enough.  A few potted plants for offices would fit right in, but I&#8217;m not sure what the legal definition of a &#8220;nursery&#8221; is vs &#8220;florist&#8221; that sells plants.</p>
<p>I was originally ambivalent about parking on the vacant lot next to the Fox, and played devil&#8217;s advocate in asking about why the land owner couldn&#8217;t do what they wanted.  But after hearing some solid arguments (namely re pedestrians), I get it and I agree that it shouldn&#8217;t be for parking.  How about those big people sculptures from the Crucible&#8217;s Fire Arts Festival that are currently in a lot off Mandela?  That would be cool there.</p>
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