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	<title>Comments on: Police parcel tax for November ballot (Updated!)</title>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/police-parcel-tax-for-november-ballot/2008-07-10#comment-2876</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>V - then I misunderstood your original post and I apologize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>V &#8211; then I misunderstood your original post and I apologize.</p>
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		<title>By: Jonathan C. Breault</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/police-parcel-tax-for-november-ballot/2008-07-10#comment-2875</link>
		<dc:creator>Jonathan C. Breault</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 00:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No one denies that Oakland has been overrun with crime and that the administration has done practically nothing about it.  The fact is that Oakland is unique in that it has a serious, deadly crime problem and a police force the size of which is more commonly found in a small city with relatively little crime.  We don&#039;t even have a jail which is extraordinarily odd.  And yet the preponderance of Oakland taxpayers are very, very reluctant to pass any parcel tax for this or any other purpose.  Why?  Simple.  The people running things in Oakland are crooked, stupid, disorganized, philosophically delusional, contemptible and financially and fiscally unsophisticated and incompetent.   So we are therefore confonted with the classic conundrum commonly known as the Hobsen&#039;s choice.  Give more money to idiots who have screwed up everything they touch?  Or deny our police force the manpower needed?   I say pass the parcel tax ONLY if the Mayor and council resign and a special election is held to give the city a chance to save itself from the endless, dreary, depressing ineptitude and worse emanating from our city hall.  It is our town.  It doesn&#039;t belong the blithering idiots who have literally destroyed the place these past 40 years.   Giving more money to these morons is akin to giving an alcoholic another bottle of gin.   Wasted and doomed to endless proverbial hell on earth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No one denies that Oakland has been overrun with crime and that the administration has done practically nothing about it.  The fact is that Oakland is unique in that it has a serious, deadly crime problem and a police force the size of which is more commonly found in a small city with relatively little crime.  We don&#8217;t even have a jail which is extraordinarily odd.  And yet the preponderance of Oakland taxpayers are very, very reluctant to pass any parcel tax for this or any other purpose.  Why?  Simple.  The people running things in Oakland are crooked, stupid, disorganized, philosophically delusional, contemptible and financially and fiscally unsophisticated and incompetent.   So we are therefore confonted with the classic conundrum commonly known as the Hobsen&#8217;s choice.  Give more money to idiots who have screwed up everything they touch?  Or deny our police force the manpower needed?   I say pass the parcel tax ONLY if the Mayor and council resign and a special election is held to give the city a chance to save itself from the endless, dreary, depressing ineptitude and worse emanating from our city hall.  It is our town.  It doesn&#8217;t belong the blithering idiots who have literally destroyed the place these past 40 years.   Giving more money to these morons is akin to giving an alcoholic another bottle of gin.   Wasted and doomed to endless proverbial hell on earth.</p>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/police-parcel-tax-for-november-ballot/2008-07-10#comment-2872</link>
		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:38:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert - 

Pat Kernighan didn&#039;t change her vote - she didn&#039;t have a vote, because she isn&#039;t on Rules Committee. Chang, as a member of the Committee, is welcome to change his vote to move an issue on to the full Council. Kernighan, along with Quan and Nadel, bypassed the committee process by calling a special meeting of the Council.

In any case, the full Council (as well as Finance and Management Committee) already discussed, and rejected, an increase in Kids First funding back during the Spring. The ballot initiative people were there then as well with their threats, and the Council said no anyway. In any case, there was not a 2-2 vote on Quan&#039;s request at Rules as you seem to think. As dto510 already explained, no motion could even get a second in order for there to be a vote. 

If Quan wanted the Council to revisit the issue and discuss a compromise in light of the signatures submitted, she&#039;s had since the beginning of June, over a month, to do so. Instead, she waited until the absolute last minute to request a discussion, when it was to late for the item to move through the proper channels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert &#8211; </p>
<p>Pat Kernighan didn&#8217;t change her vote &#8211; she didn&#8217;t have a vote, because she isn&#8217;t on Rules Committee. Chang, as a member of the Committee, is welcome to change his vote to move an issue on to the full Council. Kernighan, along with Quan and Nadel, bypassed the committee process by calling a special meeting of the Council.</p>
<p>In any case, the full Council (as well as Finance and Management Committee) already discussed, and rejected, an increase in Kids First funding back during the Spring. The ballot initiative people were there then as well with their threats, and the Council said no anyway. In any case, there was not a 2-2 vote on Quan&#8217;s request at Rules as you seem to think. As dto510 already explained, no motion could even get a second in order for there to be a vote. </p>
<p>If Quan wanted the Council to revisit the issue and discuss a compromise in light of the signatures submitted, she&#8217;s had since the beginning of June, over a month, to do so. Instead, she waited until the absolute last minute to request a discussion, when it was to late for the item to move through the proper channels.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/police-parcel-tax-for-november-ballot/2008-07-10#comment-2871</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 21:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought it took a majority of the rules committee to report something out, which means that 2 member can block the legislation. I could be wrong, but V&#039;s post indicated that the 2 to 2 tie kept the police measure from being reported out. To me, if 2 members of the rules committee can block something being reported out of committee, that does represent a small minority of the council, 2 out of 8, but I guess that can be considered a matter of opinion. 

While it would be nice if the organizers withdrew their measure, do you seriously think that that will happen? Dellums is quite probably the only one with enough clout with the groups involved to have a chance, and I haven&#039;t seen him demonstrate that form of leadership. If he does manage to pull it off, I will have to take back other things I have said about him. &quot;Blackmail&#039; is such a negative term. It is really are the art of political compromise, but call it what you will. This is a complicated political decision, and I really don&#039;t see the problem with having the full council discuss and agree on the best way to go forward. Maybe the council will come to the decision to tell the KF2 group that if they put their measure on the ballot, then the full weight of the council and mayor will come down against them. Cause it is not clear to me that anybody on the council is in favor of either the original KF2 measure or Quan&#039;s compromise. I think that the only conclusion you can come to is that Quan thinks that her compromise is less damaging than the original.

And I just realized when I looked back at V&#039;s post that Henry Chang changing his vote to get the police measure considered by the full council is great news, but Kernighan changing her vote to put the KF2 compromise before the full council is a subversion of democracy. Huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought it took a majority of the rules committee to report something out, which means that 2 member can block the legislation. I could be wrong, but V&#8217;s post indicated that the 2 to 2 tie kept the police measure from being reported out. To me, if 2 members of the rules committee can block something being reported out of committee, that does represent a small minority of the council, 2 out of 8, but I guess that can be considered a matter of opinion. </p>
<p>While it would be nice if the organizers withdrew their measure, do you seriously think that that will happen? Dellums is quite probably the only one with enough clout with the groups involved to have a chance, and I haven&#8217;t seen him demonstrate that form of leadership. If he does manage to pull it off, I will have to take back other things I have said about him. &#8220;Blackmail&#8217; is such a negative term. It is really are the art of political compromise, but call it what you will. This is a complicated political decision, and I really don&#8217;t see the problem with having the full council discuss and agree on the best way to go forward. Maybe the council will come to the decision to tell the KF2 group that if they put their measure on the ballot, then the full weight of the council and mayor will come down against them. Cause it is not clear to me that anybody on the council is in favor of either the original KF2 measure or Quan&#8217;s compromise. I think that the only conclusion you can come to is that Quan thinks that her compromise is less damaging than the original.</p>
<p>And I just realized when I looked back at V&#8217;s post that Henry Chang changing his vote to get the police measure considered by the full council is great news, but Kernighan changing her vote to put the KF2 compromise before the full council is a subversion of democracy. Huh?</p>
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		<title>By: dto510</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/police-parcel-tax-for-november-ballot/2008-07-10#comment-2869</link>
		<dc:creator>dto510</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:15:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert - the Rules Committee is not a &quot;small minority&quot; of the City Council, it is half of the Council. Without the vote of at least two of them, nothing can be placed on the ballot, according to Jean Quan&#039;s newsletter. Rules was unable to second a motion to discuss KF2, so there clearly aren&#039;t two votes there. Quan also said that KF2 can remove their measure, which they &quot;promise&quot; to do if the Council adopts a compromise. The Council shouldn&#039;t listen to threats and should instead ask KF2 to withdraw their measure for the good of the city and the the other public agencies that will taxes on the ballot. Jean Quan has had months to negotiate with them - giving into blackmail with a last-minute, backdoor deal demonstrates very poor leadership</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert &#8211; the Rules Committee is not a &#8220;small minority&#8221; of the City Council, it is half of the Council. Without the vote of at least two of them, nothing can be placed on the ballot, according to Jean Quan&#8217;s newsletter. Rules was unable to second a motion to discuss KF2, so there clearly aren&#8217;t two votes there. Quan also said that KF2 can remove their measure, which they &#8220;promise&#8221; to do if the Council adopts a compromise. The Council shouldn&#8217;t listen to threats and should instead ask KF2 to withdraw their measure for the good of the city and the the other public agencies that will taxes on the ballot. Jean Quan has had months to negotiate with them &#8211; giving into blackmail with a last-minute, backdoor deal demonstrates very poor leadership</p>
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		<title>By: californio</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/police-parcel-tax-for-november-ballot/2008-07-10#comment-2865</link>
		<dc:creator>californio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:58:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here goes another $2,000,000. Anybody follow this item, which is on the agenda for tonight&#039;s Council  meeting?

Subject: Jane Smith - Settlement Agreement From: Office of the City Attorney Recommendation: Adopt A Resolution Authorizing And Directing The City Attorney To Settle The Case Of Jane Smith, Et Al. V. City Of Oakland, U.S. District Court Action No. C06-07171 MMC (JCS), Our File No. X02981, In The Amount Of $2,000,000.00. This Case Involves Alleged Civil Rights Violations (Police Department)

For more information:

http://clerkwebsvr1.oaklandnet.com/detailreport/matter.aspx?key=15895

To paraphrase William Blake:

Oakland! Awake! Awake! Awake!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here goes another $2,000,000. Anybody follow this item, which is on the agenda for tonight&#8217;s Council  meeting?</p>
<p>Subject: Jane Smith &#8211; Settlement Agreement From: Office of the City Attorney Recommendation: Adopt A Resolution Authorizing And Directing The City Attorney To Settle The Case Of Jane Smith, Et Al. V. City Of Oakland, U.S. District Court Action No. C06-07171 MMC (JCS), Our File No. X02981, In The Amount Of $2,000,000.00. This Case Involves Alleged Civil Rights Violations (Police Department)</p>
<p>For more information:</p>
<p><a href="http://clerkwebsvr1.oaklandnet.com/detailreport/matter.aspx?key=15895" rel="nofollow">http://clerkwebsvr1.oaklandnet.com/detailreport/matter.aspx?key=15895</a></p>
<p>To paraphrase William Blake:</p>
<p>Oakland! Awake! Awake! Awake!</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/police-parcel-tax-for-november-ballot/2008-07-10#comment-2863</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>no way that the city is getting my tax dollars until they can prove to me that they do a better job with the money they already have

why are so many people caught up on the $100K barometer? a $100k in the bay is the equivalent of $65k 

i am so sick of those annoying surveys sorry - now back to regularly scheduled programming</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>no way that the city is getting my tax dollars until they can prove to me that they do a better job with the money they already have</p>
<p>why are so many people caught up on the $100K barometer? a $100k in the bay is the equivalent of $65k </p>
<p>i am so sick of those annoying surveys sorry &#8211; now back to regularly scheduled programming</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/police-parcel-tax-for-november-ballot/2008-07-10#comment-2862</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and those errors would be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and those errors would be?</p>
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		<title>By: InsideOak</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/police-parcel-tax-for-november-ballot/2008-07-10#comment-2861</link>
		<dc:creator>InsideOak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Robert, 

If I were you, Id just give it up now. The factual errors in your last four messages are too numerous to even count. Leave the arguing to people who understand how the city works and have half a clue about whats going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert, </p>
<p>If I were you, Id just give it up now. The factual errors in your last four messages are too numerous to even count. Leave the arguing to people who understand how the city works and have half a clue about whats going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/police-parcel-tax-for-november-ballot/2008-07-10#comment-2860</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:31:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was under the impression from the Tribune article, http://www.oaklandafterschool.org/?p=69, that they had already turned in the signatures.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was under the impression from the Tribune article, <a href="http://www.oaklandafterschool.org/?p=69" rel="nofollow">http://www.oaklandafterschool.org/?p=69</a>, that they had already turned in the signatures.</p>
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