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	<title>Comments on: Patrick McCullough v. Jane Brunner: LWV District 1 Oakland City Council Candidate Forum recap</title>
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		<title>By: TachaddenuenT</title>
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		<dc:creator>TachaddenuenT</dc:creator>
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		<description>Hey.

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<p> My webmaster last month launched a site comparable to htis<br />
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 and the site having problems making the site to work.</p>
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		<title>By: Stacey Jones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stacey Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 03:58:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jane,

     I just spoke with Jean Quan who offered to assist me many years ago with my nonprofit.  She informed me that I should speak to you because you are the Council person for the area where my nonprofit will be moving to.  My name is Stacey jones and I am the founder and Executive Director for Family Life Improvement, ( FLI).  
     I am going to Harvard for a two week program, for which I leave this weekend.  This program is designed to equip community and economic development professionals for better mission conceptualization, information management, strategic planning, program performance, and partnership building with business, government, and industry. The underdstanding is that today&#039;s community and economic development professionals must address complex issues related to jobs, housing, education, health, criminal justice, and social services and therefore a super structure is neccessary.
     With this training FLI will receive a well structured plan designed specifically for Oakland CA, and a certificate that the plan was created at Harvard.   I would like to meet wit you to discuss this plan when I come back.  Whether you are or are not interested please reply to scjones_2000@yahoo.com.  FLI&#039;s phone #510-569-4FLI(4354).

     I look forward to hearing from you or someone in your office.

Sincerely, 


Stacey Jones</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jane,</p>
<p>     I just spoke with Jean Quan who offered to assist me many years ago with my nonprofit.  She informed me that I should speak to you because you are the Council person for the area where my nonprofit will be moving to.  My name is Stacey jones and I am the founder and Executive Director for Family Life Improvement, ( FLI).<br />
     I am going to Harvard for a two week program, for which I leave this weekend.  This program is designed to equip community and economic development professionals for better mission conceptualization, information management, strategic planning, program performance, and partnership building with business, government, and industry. The underdstanding is that today&#8217;s community and economic development professionals must address complex issues related to jobs, housing, education, health, criminal justice, and social services and therefore a super structure is neccessary.<br />
     With this training FLI will receive a well structured plan designed specifically for Oakland CA, and a certificate that the plan was created at Harvard.   I would like to meet wit you to discuss this plan when I come back.  Whether you are or are not interested please reply to <a href="mailto:scjones_2000@yahoo.com">scjones_2000@yahoo.com</a>.  FLI&#8217;s phone #510-569-4FLI(4354).</p>
<p>     I look forward to hearing from you or someone in your office.</p>
<p>Sincerely, </p>
<p>Stacey Jones</p>
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		<title>By: len raphael</title>
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		<dc:creator>len raphael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oakland Police Lt. Lawrence Green said about McCullough’s efforts to defend himself after a gang of teenage thugs entered his property and threatened his life (McCullough was never charged with any crime):

“The reason that Patrick was assaulted by these suspects is that he stands up to drug dealers in a way that normal citizens do not.” (Berkeley Daily Planet, Dec. 9, 2005)

And hear community activist and Neighborhood Crime Prevention Council leader Don Link:

‘First and foremost, the incident that took place at Pat McCullough’s residence was not a “vigilante shooting” but an act of self-defense by a man rushed on his own property by five or six young men, one of whom attacked him, aided by others who were throwing objects at and cornering him between his car and his house, 20 feet up his driveway’. (Berkeley Daily Planet commentary, Mar. 11, 2005)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oakland Police Lt. Lawrence Green said about McCullough’s efforts to defend himself after a gang of teenage thugs entered his property and threatened his life (McCullough was never charged with any crime):</p>
<p>“The reason that Patrick was assaulted by these suspects is that he stands up to drug dealers in a way that normal citizens do not.” (Berkeley Daily Planet, Dec. 9, 2005)</p>
<p>And hear community activist and Neighborhood Crime Prevention Council leader Don Link:</p>
<p>‘First and foremost, the incident that took place at Pat McCullough’s residence was not a “vigilante shooting” but an act of self-defense by a man rushed on his own property by five or six young men, one of whom attacked him, aided by others who were throwing objects at and cornering him between his car and his house, 20 feet up his driveway’. (Berkeley Daily Planet commentary, Mar. 11, 2005)</p>
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		<title>By: len raphael</title>
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		<dc:creator>len raphael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2008 10:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pat McCullough and the v word:

The irony in JB calling  Pat the V word in her recent mailer, is that JB is criticizing him for following her oft repeated advice given at her town halls: &quot;call the police whenever you see suspicious&quot; persons/behavior/activity. (and those town hall meetings were frequent but 99% dog and pony shows with Brunner trotting out half a dozen cops to sit on their butts for an hour during prime crime time)

Once upon a time in Rockridge, most of the time, if you called 911 the cops would come fairly quickly and arrest the bad guys. Now that probably takes anywhere from minutes to the half hour it took for police to respond to my false panic alarm on Desmond Street one day last year.

Hopefully not a life or death matter, so maybe the suspicious character moves away to case the house down the block, mug your neigbor instead of you, etc. End of story.

But where Pat lives on 59th between Tele and Shattuck, taking JB&#039;s advice to call the cops can result in the bad guys taking your life.   In Rockridge and Temescal it&#039;s just &quot;calling the cops&quot;, in many parts of Oakland including Pat&#039;s it&#039;s called &quot;snitching&quot;. 

JB&#039;s freeze on cop hiring in 2002 made it difficult to quickly respond to  911 calls, and impossible for the OPD to conduct survelliance operations so that neighbors like Pat didn&#039;t have to risk their families&#039; lives by following JB&#039;s advice to call the police to report drug dealing.

-len raphael
volunteer treasurer, McCullough for City Council</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pat McCullough and the v word:</p>
<p>The irony in JB calling  Pat the V word in her recent mailer, is that JB is criticizing him for following her oft repeated advice given at her town halls: &#8220;call the police whenever you see suspicious&#8221; persons/behavior/activity. (and those town hall meetings were frequent but 99% dog and pony shows with Brunner trotting out half a dozen cops to sit on their butts for an hour during prime crime time)</p>
<p>Once upon a time in Rockridge, most of the time, if you called 911 the cops would come fairly quickly and arrest the bad guys. Now that probably takes anywhere from minutes to the half hour it took for police to respond to my false panic alarm on Desmond Street one day last year.</p>
<p>Hopefully not a life or death matter, so maybe the suspicious character moves away to case the house down the block, mug your neigbor instead of you, etc. End of story.</p>
<p>But where Pat lives on 59th between Tele and Shattuck, taking JB&#8217;s advice to call the cops can result in the bad guys taking your life.   In Rockridge and Temescal it&#8217;s just &#8220;calling the cops&#8221;, in many parts of Oakland including Pat&#8217;s it&#8217;s called &#8220;snitching&#8221;. </p>
<p>JB&#8217;s freeze on cop hiring in 2002 made it difficult to quickly respond to  911 calls, and impossible for the OPD to conduct survelliance operations so that neighbors like Pat didn&#8217;t have to risk their families&#8217; lives by following JB&#8217;s advice to call the police to report drug dealing.</p>
<p>-len raphael<br />
volunteer treasurer, McCullough for City Council</p>
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		<title>By: josh abrams</title>
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		<dc:creator>josh abrams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live in District 1, right on the D1/D3 border, I know a lot about both races... I can understand why scottpark would be aware of the race.  I have to admit I always find it odd when someone out of a district has a lawn sign for somewhere else - but thats his business not mine.

For me it comes down to knowing that Pat has crime as his highest priority - I don&#039;t think he&#039;ll let it slip through the cracks while he plays footsie with developers (i like developers a lot!) or piddles around building street furniture that nobody wanted.

Most Oaklanders don&#039;t keep track of what their councilmembers do and hold their feet to the fire - we hear from them around election time or when they decide to send out a newsletter bragging about how they&#039;ve wasted our money on some pointless project -- I feel that if Pat were elected he would keep working on Oakland&#039;s crime problems without having to have citizens constantly nag at him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live in District 1, right on the D1/D3 border, I know a lot about both races&#8230; I can understand why scottpark would be aware of the race.  I have to admit I always find it odd when someone out of a district has a lawn sign for somewhere else &#8211; but thats his business not mine.</p>
<p>For me it comes down to knowing that Pat has crime as his highest priority &#8211; I don&#8217;t think he&#8217;ll let it slip through the cracks while he plays footsie with developers (i like developers a lot!) or piddles around building street furniture that nobody wanted.</p>
<p>Most Oaklanders don&#8217;t keep track of what their councilmembers do and hold their feet to the fire &#8211; we hear from them around election time or when they decide to send out a newsletter bragging about how they&#8217;ve wasted our money on some pointless project &#8212; I feel that if Pat were elected he would keep working on Oakland&#8217;s crime problems without having to have citizens constantly nag at him.</p>
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		<title>By: scottpark</title>
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		<dc:creator>scottpark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>M:

I live in the District, in Rockridge.  Indeed, I would hope I would have more to do in my life if I didn;t!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>M:</p>
<p>I live in the District, in Rockridge.  Indeed, I would hope I would have more to do in my life if I didn;t!</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 20:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moving isn&#039;t always an option, for people like you, me and McCullough it is.  I find myself squarely between you and Pat on crime fighting philosophy.  I&#039;m not leaving Ghosttown.  I all the cops.  I&#039;ve gotten to know them.  My block is doing alright.  It&#039;s a relatively recent phenomenon and I hope it sticks.



As for the whole McCullough vs. Brunner thing, you sure do know a lot about that race for someone who doesn&#039;t live in the district...  why so much attention?  why a lawn sign for someone you can&#039;t vote for?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moving isn&#8217;t always an option, for people like you, me and McCullough it is.  I find myself squarely between you and Pat on crime fighting philosophy.  I&#8217;m not leaving Ghosttown.  I all the cops.  I&#8217;ve gotten to know them.  My block is doing alright.  It&#8217;s a relatively recent phenomenon and I hope it sticks.</p>
<p>As for the whole McCullough vs. Brunner thing, you sure do know a lot about that race for someone who doesn&#8217;t live in the district&#8230;  why so much attention?  why a lawn sign for someone you can&#8217;t vote for?</p>
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		<title>By: scottpark</title>
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		<dc:creator>scottpark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 18:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max,

Fair enough. I would say if I lived in some crappy neighborhood with thugs all around and an unresponsive police department, I would make my priority moving and not arming myself.  I tend to think there is less harm done in my moving than there is my shooting someone, no matter how terrible that person may be.  I understand the feeling that one&#039;s home should be sacrosanct, and I know many people believe that much can be justified in rising to the defense of One&#039;s Castle.  I just don&#039;t think where I live is all that important to my personal pride (certainly not enough to insist on living in an unpleasant place!) Not only because of the safety of me and my family, but because life is too darn short, faced with violent thugs I&#039;d just get the heck out of dodge ASAP.

I guess I just don&#039;t think there is anything particularly admirable about staying in a crappy neighborhood.  I appreciate folks who work hard in their community, but I really hope they are doing it for themselves first and foremost, because, ultimately, nobody cares where you live or why you live there.  Most people who live in nice neighborhoods will profess admiration for folks who &quot;manage&quot; to stay in bad neighborhoods, but they are really not anyone&#039;s personal heroes and most folks would not move into bad neighborhoods to be like them.  That&#039;s one reason why I think McCullough&#039;s appeal is limited.

Surfways, I don&#039;t doubt McCullough has people&#039;s support, but I think it remains to be seen if he has &quot;the people&#039;s&quot; support.  And I certainly hope I am not to vote for McCullough because he TALKS about crime more than anyone else...:)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max,</p>
<p>Fair enough. I would say if I lived in some crappy neighborhood with thugs all around and an unresponsive police department, I would make my priority moving and not arming myself.  I tend to think there is less harm done in my moving than there is my shooting someone, no matter how terrible that person may be.  I understand the feeling that one&#8217;s home should be sacrosanct, and I know many people believe that much can be justified in rising to the defense of One&#8217;s Castle.  I just don&#8217;t think where I live is all that important to my personal pride (certainly not enough to insist on living in an unpleasant place!) Not only because of the safety of me and my family, but because life is too darn short, faced with violent thugs I&#8217;d just get the heck out of dodge ASAP.</p>
<p>I guess I just don&#8217;t think there is anything particularly admirable about staying in a crappy neighborhood.  I appreciate folks who work hard in their community, but I really hope they are doing it for themselves first and foremost, because, ultimately, nobody cares where you live or why you live there.  Most people who live in nice neighborhoods will profess admiration for folks who &#8220;manage&#8221; to stay in bad neighborhoods, but they are really not anyone&#8217;s personal heroes and most folks would not move into bad neighborhoods to be like them.  That&#8217;s one reason why I think McCullough&#8217;s appeal is limited.</p>
<p>Surfways, I don&#8217;t doubt McCullough has people&#8217;s support, but I think it remains to be seen if he has &#8220;the people&#8217;s&#8221; support.  And I certainly hope I am not to vote for McCullough because he TALKS about crime more than anyone else&#8230;:)</p>
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		<title>By: Surfways</title>
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		<dc:creator>Surfways</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 22:41:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>scottpark,

Pat has the people&#039;s support not because he actually had the guts to shoot someone but because he has been talking about the issue of crime for a long time and will definitely put his energy, time, and focus in crime, unlike some of the other city council members.
The others simply talk about it when election time comes along. Pat has been talking about it all along, he is more inline with our current concerns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>scottpark,</p>
<p>Pat has the people&#8217;s support not because he actually had the guts to shoot someone but because he has been talking about the issue of crime for a long time and will definitely put his energy, time, and focus in crime, unlike some of the other city council members.<br />
The others simply talk about it when election time comes along. Pat has been talking about it all along, he is more inline with our current concerns.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 20:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I tend to agree with you about the escalation argument you just made, actually.  Except for one thing: McCullough&#039;s first act of &quot;messing with&quot; those thugs was calling the cops, no?  Perhaps his mistake was that he should have kept a low profile and not publicly confronted the thugs.  Maybe a better strategy would have been cowering in his house and waiting on hold for a dispatcher, and then waiting for the cops to show up long after the thugs were gone.

Maybe he should have moved?

What would you do if you had thugs selling dope on your block every day and the cops weren&#039;t showing up fast enough, or couldn&#039;t act when they did show up?  I can&#039;t really think of an option to McCullough&#039;s actions other than capitulation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I tend to agree with you about the escalation argument you just made, actually.  Except for one thing: McCullough&#8217;s first act of &#8220;messing with&#8221; those thugs was calling the cops, no?  Perhaps his mistake was that he should have kept a low profile and not publicly confronted the thugs.  Maybe a better strategy would have been cowering in his house and waiting on hold for a dispatcher, and then waiting for the cops to show up long after the thugs were gone.</p>
<p>Maybe he should have moved?</p>
<p>What would you do if you had thugs selling dope on your block every day and the cops weren&#8217;t showing up fast enough, or couldn&#8217;t act when they did show up?  I can&#8217;t really think of an option to McCullough&#8217;s actions other than capitulation.</p>
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