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	<title>Comments on: Oakland municipal ID cards back at Council</title>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Oct 2009 03:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gee, thanks David!  When I decide to follow the advice of some blog-commenter freakshow that I referenced sardonically, I&#039;ll do that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gee, thanks David!  When I decide to follow the advice of some blog-commenter freakshow that I referenced sardonically, I&#8217;ll do that!</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/oakland-municipal-id-cards-back-at-council/2009-10-20#comment-242052</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 04:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Patrick, if you have a job that can be done somewhere else, you really should head out.  Seriously.  If you want to have a chance to enjoy life, and have some financial benefits.

Or save up a lot and move to Alameda.  Or less and move to San Leandro.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, if you have a job that can be done somewhere else, you really should head out.  Seriously.  If you want to have a chance to enjoy life, and have some financial benefits.</p>
<p>Or save up a lot and move to Alameda.  Or less and move to San Leandro.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/oakland-municipal-id-cards-back-at-council/2009-10-20#comment-242051</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Oct 2009 00:51:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$220 = Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa???   Fix-it tickets were $10 because it was society&#039;s way of saying &quot;sorry, this is unsafe&quot;.  The forced repair (that you perhaps could not afford) was the punishment.  This is just theft.

Maybe David is right.  Maybe it is time to leave California.  I&#039;ve lived in seven other cities in seven other states - and Oakland is my favorite of all of them - but is it really worth the premium?  Is it really worth supporting the priveleged class (i.e. government workers)?  Sure, I&#039;d pine for the Banh Mi, but I could probably employ a personal Vietnamese chef for these prices.

Maybe they made the sidewalk around Lake Merritt that wide to accommodate a guillotine and screaming, peasant spectators.  And the goose shit is there so they have something to fling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$220 = Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa???   Fix-it tickets were $10 because it was society&#8217;s way of saying &#8220;sorry, this is unsafe&#8221;.  The forced repair (that you perhaps could not afford) was the punishment.  This is just theft.</p>
<p>Maybe David is right.  Maybe it is time to leave California.  I&#8217;ve lived in seven other cities in seven other states &#8211; and Oakland is my favorite of all of them &#8211; but is it really worth the premium?  Is it really worth supporting the priveleged class (i.e. government workers)?  Sure, I&#8217;d pine for the Banh Mi, but I could probably employ a personal Vietnamese chef for these prices.</p>
<p>Maybe they made the sidewalk around Lake Merritt that wide to accommodate a guillotine and screaming, peasant spectators.  And the goose shit is there so they have something to fling.</p>
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		<title>By: ken o.</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/oakland-municipal-id-cards-back-at-council/2009-10-20#comment-242039</link>
		<dc:creator>ken o.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:38:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey patrick. the ticket turned out to cost $220. a far cry from a $90 (and potentially only $10) ticket. life gets in the way of things sometimes, and for anyone without a paying job in order to get to job interviews, etc, this would land them with a boot on the car and eventually tax garnishments and jail time.

City Hall greed = unions + bureaucrats unwilling to cut a decade of fat rolls = 

DEBTOR&#039;S PRISON 

for us mere citizens. Reminds one of the Parisian situation circa 18th Century</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey patrick. the ticket turned out to cost $220. a far cry from a $90 (and potentially only $10) ticket. life gets in the way of things sometimes, and for anyone without a paying job in order to get to job interviews, etc, this would land them with a boot on the car and eventually tax garnishments and jail time.</p>
<p>City Hall greed = unions + bureaucrats unwilling to cut a decade of fat rolls = </p>
<p>DEBTOR&#8217;S PRISON </p>
<p>for us mere citizens. Reminds one of the Parisian situation circa 18th Century</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/oakland-municipal-id-cards-back-at-council/2009-10-20#comment-242033</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ken o.  really?  I knew the state increased the costs of those tickets at the same time they jacked up moving violation fines.  But, Oakland typically did not issue fix-it tickets before, because it wasn&#039;t worth it.  If Oakland police ticketed everyone who drives through Oakland in a fix-it ticket-able car, we&#039;d probably be able to afford their pension.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ken o.  really?  I knew the state increased the costs of those tickets at the same time they jacked up moving violation fines.  But, Oakland typically did not issue fix-it tickets before, because it wasn&#8217;t worth it.  If Oakland police ticketed everyone who drives through Oakland in a fix-it ticket-able car, we&#8217;d probably be able to afford their pension.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/oakland-municipal-id-cards-back-at-council/2009-10-20#comment-242032</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 00:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, len.  

As I have always stated, I think it is unfair that people (renters) who are protected from the costs of the things they vote for, are allowed to vote on those issues.  Seriously, it&#039;s like letting everyone vote on marriage rights for lesbians and gays - and with the same results.  

Second, and just as importantly, why in hell are we floating bonds to pay for pension funding shortages?  That takes an already fiscally damaging situation and compounds (pardon the pun) the problem with interest payments.  If we have to float bonds for personnel costs, you would think that would suggest to someone that the personnel costs are way too high.  When politicians covet the backing of the police and fire unions to get re-elected, it is no wonder that we&#039;re in the situation we find ourselves.

The City Council awarded those pensions and now we&#039;re saddled with the costs because of their complete fiscal irresponsibility.  It&#039;s as sickening as the OO &quot;compromise&quot;.  A compromise wouldn&#039;t have been necessary if they had shown some spine and worked to defeat OO in the first place.  Instead, like always, they worry about things that are not central to a functioning city, then wring their hands at the dire situation their inaction (or inappropriate actions) have caused, and in the process we all go deeper into debt.

And now this ridiculous piece of costly, useless nonsense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, len.  </p>
<p>As I have always stated, I think it is unfair that people (renters) who are protected from the costs of the things they vote for, are allowed to vote on those issues.  Seriously, it&#8217;s like letting everyone vote on marriage rights for lesbians and gays &#8211; and with the same results.  </p>
<p>Second, and just as importantly, why in hell are we floating bonds to pay for pension funding shortages?  That takes an already fiscally damaging situation and compounds (pardon the pun) the problem with interest payments.  If we have to float bonds for personnel costs, you would think that would suggest to someone that the personnel costs are way too high.  When politicians covet the backing of the police and fire unions to get re-elected, it is no wonder that we&#8217;re in the situation we find ourselves.</p>
<p>The City Council awarded those pensions and now we&#8217;re saddled with the costs because of their complete fiscal irresponsibility.  It&#8217;s as sickening as the OO &#8220;compromise&#8221;.  A compromise wouldn&#8217;t have been necessary if they had shown some spine and worked to defeat OO in the first place.  Instead, like always, they worry about things that are not central to a functioning city, then wring their hands at the dire situation their inaction (or inappropriate actions) have caused, and in the process we all go deeper into debt.</p>
<p>And now this ridiculous piece of costly, useless nonsense.</p>
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		<title>By: Russell Spitzer</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/oakland-municipal-id-cards-back-at-council/2009-10-20#comment-242030</link>
		<dc:creator>Russell Spitzer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 22:40:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like social programs but this one seems to step into far too much liability without any real gain. There doesn&#039;t seem to be any reasonable chance that the plan will work and there is a reasonable chance that the whole mess will get us into legal trouble which the city cannot afford. 

If we want to help out the citizens of Oakland how about we focus on fixing our public transit? That will have real benefits for all citizens and the legal liabilities are well covered by our current lawyers, not to mention it won&#039;t cause us to walk into federal territory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like social programs but this one seems to step into far too much liability without any real gain. There doesn&#8217;t seem to be any reasonable chance that the plan will work and there is a reasonable chance that the whole mess will get us into legal trouble which the city cannot afford. </p>
<p>If we want to help out the citizens of Oakland how about we focus on fixing our public transit? That will have real benefits for all citizens and the legal liabilities are well covered by our current lawyers, not to mention it won&#8217;t cause us to walk into federal territory.</p>
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		<title>By: Kipper</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/oakland-municipal-id-cards-back-at-council/2009-10-20#comment-242027</link>
		<dc:creator>Kipper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 18:04:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Error</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Error</p>
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		<title>By: Kipper</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/oakland-municipal-id-cards-back-at-council/2009-10-20#comment-242026</link>
		<dc:creator>Kipper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 17:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken.o, If it&#039;s a &quot;fix-it&quot; ticket then it is only a $10 fee once deemed corrected. Not certain why you chose to place blame and anger in this thread, but seems disproportionate just the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken.o, If it&#8217;s a &#8220;fix-it&#8221; ticket then it is only a $10 fee once deemed corrected. Not certain why you chose to place blame and anger in this thread, but seems disproportionate just the same.</p>
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		<title>By: Born in Oakland</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/oakland-municipal-id-cards-back-at-council/2009-10-20#comment-242025</link>
		<dc:creator>Born in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Oct 2009 14:48:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Confused are we?  Welcome to the Bay Area bubble where wedge issues keep our eye off the ball and our dysfunctional political establishment grinds on and on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Confused are we?  Welcome to the Bay Area bubble where wedge issues keep our eye off the ball and our dysfunctional political establishment grinds on and on.</p>
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