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	<title>Comments on: Oakland employment per capita, 1995 and 2005</title>
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		<title>By: michael bowens</title>
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		<dc:creator>michael bowens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jul 2010 02:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>instead of laying off cops the mayor should call all department heads into a meeting and reveal the budget again and let all city of oakland employees know from the top down including the mayor that every employee has to take a pay cut to save jobs and including the police this will save everybody jobs for 3 years or more the money will go into there pension and other areas this will save lots of money and jobs.dellums we will not ever put our trust in you and never vote for you again YOU LIED mbowens and family.If employees dont go along this will mean job lost period. our system is corrupt and thats a shame and pitiful resident of oakland mbowens</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>instead of laying off cops the mayor should call all department heads into a meeting and reveal the budget again and let all city of oakland employees know from the top down including the mayor that every employee has to take a pay cut to save jobs and including the police this will save everybody jobs for 3 years or more the money will go into there pension and other areas this will save lots of money and jobs.dellums we will not ever put our trust in you and never vote for you again YOU LIED mbowens and family.If employees dont go along this will mean job lost period. our system is corrupt and thats a shame and pitiful resident of oakland mbowens</p>
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		<title>By: Moschops</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/oakland-employment-per-capita-1995-and-2005/2008-07-24#comment-3118</link>
		<dc:creator>Moschops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 01:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not that it makes a huge difference but if you inflation adjust the 1995 $4,483 average monthly wage to 2005 dollar it comes out at $5,746 so the average monthly pay increase is 29% (based on the BLS inflation calculator: http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl).  

I guess one simple explanation is that everyone got 29% better at their job or works 29% more hours?

(No, I&#039;m not being serious).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not that it makes a huge difference but if you inflation adjust the 1995 $4,483 average monthly wage to 2005 dollar it comes out at $5,746 so the average monthly pay increase is 29% (based on the BLS inflation calculator: <a href="http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl" rel="nofollow">http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl</a>).  </p>
<p>I guess one simple explanation is that everyone got 29% better at their job or works 29% more hours?</p>
<p>(No, I&#8217;m not being serious).</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/oakland-employment-per-capita-1995-and-2005/2008-07-24#comment-3079</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 14:59:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If our costs are well above average, our services should be too.  Very very not OK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If our costs are well above average, our services should be too.  Very very not OK.</p>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/oakland-employment-per-capita-1995-and-2005/2008-07-24#comment-3074</link>
		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:18:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is what true? That Oakland&#039;s average earnings per full time employee are higher than every other city in the country? I don&#039;t know. The list doesn&#039;t have every city, just the biggest ones. But according to the chart, yes, Oakland&#039;s average monthly earnings are higher than that of any other city on the list, by a pretty dramatic amount.

The fact that it is &lt;i&gt;so&lt;/i&gt; much higher than any other city makes me question it, although considering Oakland&#039;s pay scales, the figure seems pretty plausible to me.

A note about the data here - all these figures are self-reported by the cities themselves. The source document (I can&#039;t link to it now, as I have very limited access to the internet at the moment, but I&#039;ll try to update with a link next week) has a kind of funny, and somewhat lengthy section about all the steps they take to try and ensure that the numbers are accurate and measurements are consistent for all cities reporting, basically saying they tried to make the process as idiot-proof as possible, but of course something&#039;s always going to slip through the cracks. For example, the person who did the reporting for Oakland, as Robert noted in a comment upthread, apparently didn&#039;t  understand the difference between total employment and full-time equivalent employment, which is a pretty basic (and important) distinction.

There&#039;s a study floating around somewhere from the City about the municipal employee pay rates around the Bay Area, which is a much better metric for comparison anyway, and if I remember correctly, Oakland came out quite a bit above average. I&#039;ll try to find that and post it here next week as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is what true? That Oakland&#8217;s average earnings per full time employee are higher than every other city in the country? I don&#8217;t know. The list doesn&#8217;t have every city, just the biggest ones. But according to the chart, yes, Oakland&#8217;s average monthly earnings are higher than that of any other city on the list, by a pretty dramatic amount.</p>
<p>The fact that it is <i>so</i> much higher than any other city makes me question it, although considering Oakland&#8217;s pay scales, the figure seems pretty plausible to me.</p>
<p>A note about the data here &#8211; all these figures are self-reported by the cities themselves. The source document (I can&#8217;t link to it now, as I have very limited access to the internet at the moment, but I&#8217;ll try to update with a link next week) has a kind of funny, and somewhat lengthy section about all the steps they take to try and ensure that the numbers are accurate and measurements are consistent for all cities reporting, basically saying they tried to make the process as idiot-proof as possible, but of course something&#8217;s always going to slip through the cracks. For example, the person who did the reporting for Oakland, as Robert noted in a comment upthread, apparently didn&#8217;t  understand the difference between total employment and full-time equivalent employment, which is a pretty basic (and important) distinction.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a study floating around somewhere from the City about the municipal employee pay rates around the Bay Area, which is a much better metric for comparison anyway, and if I remember correctly, Oakland came out quite a bit above average. I&#8217;ll try to find that and post it here next week as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/oakland-employment-per-capita-1995-and-2005/2008-07-24#comment-3073</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 02:42:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aaron, are you serious?  V is that true?  Very very not OK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aaron, are you serious?  V is that true?  Very very not OK.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 00:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, according to the PDF, the average monthly earnings for an Oakland employee is higher than any other city in the country.  Even employees of cities with a much higher cost of living, such as San Francisco, Santa Ana, Anaheim pull in less per month.  (I&#039;m sure there are many many more expensive cities on the list, I only know CA).  I guess it goes along with Oakland being the number #1 city for city-employee corruption and fraud!  It&#039;s a shame, because Oakland could easily be just as safe and corruption free as cities like San Jose, Berkeley or San Francisco.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, according to the PDF, the average monthly earnings for an Oakland employee is higher than any other city in the country.  Even employees of cities with a much higher cost of living, such as San Francisco, Santa Ana, Anaheim pull in less per month.  (I&#8217;m sure there are many many more expensive cities on the list, I only know CA).  I guess it goes along with Oakland being the number #1 city for city-employee corruption and fraud!  It&#8217;s a shame, because Oakland could easily be just as safe and corruption free as cities like San Jose, Berkeley or San Francisco.</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 17:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over 10 years, Chicago (a city not known for budgetary efficiency or lack of graft) held its payroll increase to 15%, total, never mind how much lower salaries are there (and before you start harping on how &quot;cheap&quot; it is in Chicago--it ain&#039;t that cheaper than Oakland, I know, I&#039;ve lived in both places).

When city population goes up barely 10% in 10 years, what justification can there be for payroll doubling????  There is absolutely none.  Even with inflation adding 40-60% in costs, payroll should have gone up no more than 70%.  One-third of the payroll is therefore wasted, as there is clearly no quality improvement in city services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over 10 years, Chicago (a city not known for budgetary efficiency or lack of graft) held its payroll increase to 15%, total, never mind how much lower salaries are there (and before you start harping on how &#8220;cheap&#8221; it is in Chicago&#8211;it ain&#8217;t that cheaper than Oakland, I know, I&#8217;ve lived in both places).</p>
<p>When city population goes up barely 10% in 10 years, what justification can there be for payroll doubling????  There is absolutely none.  Even with inflation adding 40-60% in costs, payroll should have gone up no more than 70%.  One-third of the payroll is therefore wasted, as there is clearly no quality improvement in city services.</p>
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		<title>By: oakie</title>
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		<dc:creator>oakie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not only is it very clear that we have bloated salaries and staffing, but think about the big picture. What the heck are we getting for all this money? It would be one thing if we felt we got good services. I, for one, think not. The concept of &#039;you get what you pay for&#039; is highly overrated.

The bottom line: this city&#039;s government is as addicted to tax revenue as a crack addict. Consider McBush&#039;s response to the price of oil: we must have more supply (off shore driiling) to drive down price, so it doesn&#039;t hurt so much. Instead of what should we do to get off the addiciton to oil.

So the city is going to have a good sized deficit. What&#039;s the solution? Increased taxes, the politicians say plus cut in libraries and police support staff, of course. This city wastes an awful lot of money-and it&#039;s not in the libraries and police technical support staff. The bloated current compensation per employee (if you subtract out the cops and fire) and number of employees since 2000 IS undeniably huge. And don&#039;t forget the compensation data does not include the unfunded pension liability that the politicians are allowing to be shirked: that cost WILL have to be paid and the budgetary implications will be huge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only is it very clear that we have bloated salaries and staffing, but think about the big picture. What the heck are we getting for all this money? It would be one thing if we felt we got good services. I, for one, think not. The concept of &#8216;you get what you pay for&#8217; is highly overrated.</p>
<p>The bottom line: this city&#8217;s government is as addicted to tax revenue as a crack addict. Consider McBush&#8217;s response to the price of oil: we must have more supply (off shore driiling) to drive down price, so it doesn&#8217;t hurt so much. Instead of what should we do to get off the addiciton to oil.</p>
<p>So the city is going to have a good sized deficit. What&#8217;s the solution? Increased taxes, the politicians say plus cut in libraries and police support staff, of course. This city wastes an awful lot of money-and it&#8217;s not in the libraries and police technical support staff. The bloated current compensation per employee (if you subtract out the cops and fire) and number of employees since 2000 IS undeniably huge. And don&#8217;t forget the compensation data does not include the unfunded pension liability that the politicians are allowing to be shirked: that cost WILL have to be paid and the budgetary implications will be huge.</p>
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		<title>By: Public Servant</title>
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		<dc:creator>Public Servant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 16:20:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a public servant in city, county and state Government for the past 18 years, I highly support providing appropriate pay/compensation to government employees. In the state classification that I am currently under, we are seeking pay parity with other comparable positions in local and state governments and special purpose districts as we are paid on average approximately 20-25% less than our counterparts. The result of this disparity in pay is that our government agency has become simply a training ground wherein employees come in for 2-3 years, get trained, and then leave for local government positions that pay far more. The amount of turnover has been phenomenal and the loss of accumulated corporate history mind boggling. We have young, highly dedicated, professional staff with advanced degrees, some even with PHDs, who must moonlight to make ends meet in the San Francisco Bay Area and pay rent--they cannot even think of buying a home even with the recent price reductions in the housing market. If we expect to hire and retain the best and brightest in government we need to compensate them appropriately. 

Nevertheless, I do find the numbers for Oakland to be astonishing. While the 138 FTEs/10,000 residents is far below other comparable cities. the average salary of $7397/month is quite high. Apparently, the highest you can find in the country.  As a state employee with 18 years of experience, a BA and MA from two of most prestigious universities in California, and supervising/managerial responsibility for 42 employees and hundreds of millions of dollars in deliverables, I barely make more than the Oakland Average (I stay because I love my job). 

My main problem with Oakland is not necessarily the high average salaries, although I am not convinced they are justified, but what it is getting us in city services. If we were getting stellar customer service I would not have any issues. However, having worked with city, county, state and federal agencies throughout California for the past 18 years, I can unequivocally say that the customer service for the City of Oakland is by far the worst of any public agency that I have ever encountered. No doubt there are some very dedicated, honest, hardworking staff (I love the Oakland Police Abandoned Auto Detail). But on the whole, my experience professionally and personally has been nothing but disappointment and frustration with the culture of disrespect, neglect, rudeness, lack of transparency, accountability and knowledge of legal processes and procedures and a general unwillingness to take ownership of problems that the public brings to Oakland City employees/bureaucrats for assistance. Perhaps if the City of Oakland had a pay for performance approach and the ability to actually fire poorly performing employees, similar to the private sector, we could really attract the best and brightest rather than having Oakland government positions serve as a guaranteed public jobs program.  The only way to effectively address the looming budget deficit is with staff cuts (unless they want to foist yet another tax increase on us). Unfortunately, as with most public agencies, those with the most seniority in Oakland government will retain their positions and those with  the least seniority will be the first cut. This never makes any sense, since it has nothing to do with one&#039;s commitment to their job and has no reflection whatsoever on their job performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a public servant in city, county and state Government for the past 18 years, I highly support providing appropriate pay/compensation to government employees. In the state classification that I am currently under, we are seeking pay parity with other comparable positions in local and state governments and special purpose districts as we are paid on average approximately 20-25% less than our counterparts. The result of this disparity in pay is that our government agency has become simply a training ground wherein employees come in for 2-3 years, get trained, and then leave for local government positions that pay far more. The amount of turnover has been phenomenal and the loss of accumulated corporate history mind boggling. We have young, highly dedicated, professional staff with advanced degrees, some even with PHDs, who must moonlight to make ends meet in the San Francisco Bay Area and pay rent&#8211;they cannot even think of buying a home even with the recent price reductions in the housing market. If we expect to hire and retain the best and brightest in government we need to compensate them appropriately. </p>
<p>Nevertheless, I do find the numbers for Oakland to be astonishing. While the 138 FTEs/10,000 residents is far below other comparable cities. the average salary of $7397/month is quite high. Apparently, the highest you can find in the country.  As a state employee with 18 years of experience, a BA and MA from two of most prestigious universities in California, and supervising/managerial responsibility for 42 employees and hundreds of millions of dollars in deliverables, I barely make more than the Oakland Average (I stay because I love my job). </p>
<p>My main problem with Oakland is not necessarily the high average salaries, although I am not convinced they are justified, but what it is getting us in city services. If we were getting stellar customer service I would not have any issues. However, having worked with city, county, state and federal agencies throughout California for the past 18 years, I can unequivocally say that the customer service for the City of Oakland is by far the worst of any public agency that I have ever encountered. No doubt there are some very dedicated, honest, hardworking staff (I love the Oakland Police Abandoned Auto Detail). But on the whole, my experience professionally and personally has been nothing but disappointment and frustration with the culture of disrespect, neglect, rudeness, lack of transparency, accountability and knowledge of legal processes and procedures and a general unwillingness to take ownership of problems that the public brings to Oakland City employees/bureaucrats for assistance. Perhaps if the City of Oakland had a pay for performance approach and the ability to actually fire poorly performing employees, similar to the private sector, we could really attract the best and brightest rather than having Oakland government positions serve as a guaranteed public jobs program.  The only way to effectively address the looming budget deficit is with staff cuts (unless they want to foist yet another tax increase on us). Unfortunately, as with most public agencies, those with the most seniority in Oakland government will retain their positions and those with  the least seniority will be the first cut. This never makes any sense, since it has nothing to do with one&#8217;s commitment to their job and has no reflection whatsoever on their job performance.</p>
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		<title>By: californio</title>
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		<dc:creator>californio</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jul 2008 14:33:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are all kinds of ways to read and misread these figures, but as Oakland Dude above points out, Oakland&#039;s rate of pay for city employees is higher than any other city in the country. That one number catches your eye.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are all kinds of ways to read and misread these figures, but as Oakland Dude above points out, Oakland&#8217;s rate of pay for city employees is higher than any other city in the country. That one number catches your eye.</p>
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