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	<title>Comments on: John Klein: Boat House Re-Dedication and the origins of Measure DD</title>
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		<title>By: John Klein</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/john-klein-boat-house-re-dedication-and-the-origins-of-measure-dd/2009-08-18#comment-242590</link>
		<dc:creator>John Klein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 18:32:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Measure DD update:  the new sod is FINALLY being installed along Lakeshore today.  Pictures are here http://tinyurl.com/yfexya3

The contractor told me that he would have used a subcontractor for the sod but that subcontractor could meet the &quot;Hire Oakland&quot; requirement.  This means the crew working today (and all along on the landscaping) complies with Hire Oakland.

It will take 4-5 days to complete the entire installation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Measure DD update:  the new sod is FINALLY being installed along Lakeshore today.  Pictures are here <a href="http://tinyurl.com/yfexya3" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/yfexya3</a></p>
<p>The contractor told me that he would have used a subcontractor for the sod but that subcontractor could meet the &#8220;Hire Oakland&#8221; requirement.  This means the crew working today (and all along on the landscaping) complies with Hire Oakland.</p>
<p>It will take 4-5 days to complete the entire installation.</p>
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		<title>By: John Klein</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/john-klein-boat-house-re-dedication-and-the-origins-of-measure-dd/2009-08-18#comment-242557</link>
		<dc:creator>John Klein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 20:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Freddy, I talked to the landscape contractor on Friday.  He said they will begin installing the new lawn next week.  Btw, it&#039;s not my call.  You wouldn&#039;t believe how many times they&#039;ve told me, &quot;next week...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Freddy, I talked to the landscape contractor on Friday.  He said they will begin installing the new lawn next week.  Btw, it&#8217;s not my call.  You wouldn&#8217;t believe how many times they&#8217;ve told me, &#8220;next week&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: freddy</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/john-klein-boat-house-re-dedication-and-the-origins-of-measure-dd/2009-08-18#comment-242551</link>
		<dc:creator>freddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 15 Nov 2009 05:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A full three months later, here&#039;s the report: No grass!  Not one square inch!

On 7/7/09, John Klein wrote: 
I talked with the landscape contractor this morning...
They will begin installing the new lawn next week....
I hope you can hold you nose for that long, city boy…..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A full three months later, here&#8217;s the report: No grass!  Not one square inch!</p>
<p>On 7/7/09, John Klein wrote:<br />
I talked with the landscape contractor this morning&#8230;<br />
They will begin installing the new lawn next week&#8230;.<br />
I hope you can hold you nose for that long, city boy…..</p>
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		<title>By: John Klein</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/john-klein-boat-house-re-dedication-and-the-origins-of-measure-dd/2009-08-18#comment-241213</link>
		<dc:creator>John Klein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Sep 2009 13:18:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, thanks Naomi.  Since you are on the Measure DD Community Coalition, can you ask to have the City bring in the most recent drawings and plans for 12th Street?  They could do this at the next Measure DD Coalition meeting, if you know the date.

But, I&#039;d have to say that I am skeptical of the City or the Coalition being open to further input or changes.  Frankly, I think the City doesn&#039;t want to show the real architectural drawings.  I say this because I met with Joel Peter and Jose Martinez but they only brought very generic drawings that did not show great detail.  I&#039;ve heard of others having the same experience.  My other skepticism is that the DD Coalition, because they already &quot;approved&quot; the designs, isn&#039;t open to reviewing them, either.

This appears to be a somewhat defensive attitude, though.  Not reviewing designs really doesn&#039;t make sense and is counter to what typically happens on any project.  That is, taking a step back and asking, &quot;Is this what we really wanted?&quot;  There will always be design changes and whatnot because it is impossible to think of everything or see things correctly in the design phase,  Things always look better or different on paper.  But, as I said, the DD Coalition generally supports wider and more sidewalks.

I really think we should be able to see the same drawings that the City is developing with WRT, the consultant or other design firm that is plotting out the actual details of sidewalk widths, placements etc. at 12th Street.  Those &quot;for public consumption&quot; sketches that are usually shown don&#039;t really allow for a discussion of the details.  I think it would be a good idea to see the details on 12th Street before the City sends it out to bid.  I&#039;d really hate to see the new park land reclaimed at 12th Street chopped up by criss-crossing sidewalks or buried under new public plazas.  

Can you arrange this for the DD Coalition meeting and let us know the date?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, thanks Naomi.  Since you are on the Measure DD Community Coalition, can you ask to have the City bring in the most recent drawings and plans for 12th Street?  They could do this at the next Measure DD Coalition meeting, if you know the date.</p>
<p>But, I&#8217;d have to say that I am skeptical of the City or the Coalition being open to further input or changes.  Frankly, I think the City doesn&#8217;t want to show the real architectural drawings.  I say this because I met with Joel Peter and Jose Martinez but they only brought very generic drawings that did not show great detail.  I&#8217;ve heard of others having the same experience.  My other skepticism is that the DD Coalition, because they already &#8220;approved&#8221; the designs, isn&#8217;t open to reviewing them, either.</p>
<p>This appears to be a somewhat defensive attitude, though.  Not reviewing designs really doesn&#8217;t make sense and is counter to what typically happens on any project.  That is, taking a step back and asking, &#8220;Is this what we really wanted?&#8221;  There will always be design changes and whatnot because it is impossible to think of everything or see things correctly in the design phase,  Things always look better or different on paper.  But, as I said, the DD Coalition generally supports wider and more sidewalks.</p>
<p>I really think we should be able to see the same drawings that the City is developing with WRT, the consultant or other design firm that is plotting out the actual details of sidewalk widths, placements etc. at 12th Street.  Those &#8220;for public consumption&#8221; sketches that are usually shown don&#8217;t really allow for a discussion of the details.  I think it would be a good idea to see the details on 12th Street before the City sends it out to bid.  I&#8217;d really hate to see the new park land reclaimed at 12th Street chopped up by criss-crossing sidewalks or buried under new public plazas.  </p>
<p>Can you arrange this for the DD Coalition meeting and let us know the date?</p>
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		<title>By: livegreen</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/john-klein-boat-house-re-dedication-and-the-origins-of-measure-dd/2009-08-18#comment-241200</link>
		<dc:creator>livegreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 17:57:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds like a good subject for a letter to City Councilpeople.
Along with a suggestion that the Parks Dept. use the goose pooper-scooper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds like a good subject for a letter to City Councilpeople.<br />
Along with a suggestion that the Parks Dept. use the goose pooper-scooper.</p>
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		<title>By: Naomi Schiff</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/john-klein-boat-house-re-dedication-and-the-origins-of-measure-dd/2009-08-18#comment-241189</link>
		<dc:creator>Naomi Schiff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 02:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you, john and navigator, above, that we shouldn&#039;t put concrete before green space. I am not a big advocate of more grass than needed, due to the goose-attraction problem, much discussed (no let&#039;s not do that again now), but I do want green space. Green doesn&#039;t always have to be grass, but it should not be concrete. I hope you will consider attending Measure DD meetings! I think we should request an agendized  update on any design changes, and ask the staff to bring the latest site plans. However, I do believe plans all include the parkland at 12th as a priority. Let&#039;s make sure it happens. The last thing I heard was about negotiations with AC Transit about how they can fit their rapid bus onto 12th, and I think that got settled.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you, john and navigator, above, that we shouldn&#8217;t put concrete before green space. I am not a big advocate of more grass than needed, due to the goose-attraction problem, much discussed (no let&#8217;s not do that again now), but I do want green space. Green doesn&#8217;t always have to be grass, but it should not be concrete. I hope you will consider attending Measure DD meetings! I think we should request an agendized  update on any design changes, and ask the staff to bring the latest site plans. However, I do believe plans all include the parkland at 12th as a priority. Let&#8217;s make sure it happens. The last thing I heard was about negotiations with AC Transit about how they can fit their rapid bus onto 12th, and I think that got settled.</p>
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		<title>By: navigator</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/john-klein-boat-house-re-dedication-and-the-origins-of-measure-dd/2009-08-18#comment-241188</link>
		<dc:creator>navigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 01:53:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry  about the double post.</description>
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		<title>By: navigator</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/john-klein-boat-house-re-dedication-and-the-origins-of-measure-dd/2009-08-18#comment-241187</link>
		<dc:creator>navigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 01:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,  thanks for the info.  I&#039;m really disappointed that we&#039;re only getting ten feet of  new grass area with the closure of El Embarcadero.  I know the original plans called for a very natural and bucolic setting with the reclaimed creek and arched foot bridges.  Now we get more concrete and more benches for public works not to maintain.  

I&#039;m scared to think of what the 12th Street area will look like once they again deviate from the pretty pictures on the billboards.  Will we soon forget the new 4 acre park, the beautiful pedestrian foot bridges, the arched pier in front of the park with the best view in Oakland?  They better take it easy on the concrete on the 12th Street side of the Lake.  I don&#039;t want to see 12 lanes of asphalt replaced by one 120 foot wide sidewalk.   Maybe we should start looking at who the concrete contractor for this project is, and what,  if any,  connections to City Hall.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,  thanks for the info.  I&#8217;m really disappointed that we&#8217;re only getting ten feet of  new grass area with the closure of El Embarcadero.  I know the original plans called for a very natural and bucolic setting with the reclaimed creek and arched foot bridges.  Now we get more concrete and more benches for public works not to maintain.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m scared to think of what the 12th Street area will look like once they again deviate from the pretty pictures on the billboards.  Will we soon forget the new 4 acre park, the beautiful pedestrian foot bridges, the arched pier in front of the park with the best view in Oakland?  They better take it easy on the concrete on the 12th Street side of the Lake.  I don&#8217;t want to see 12 lanes of asphalt replaced by one 120 foot wide sidewalk.   Maybe we should start looking at who the concrete contractor for this project is, and what,  if any,  connections to City Hall.</p>
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		<title>By: navigator</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/john-klein-boat-house-re-dedication-and-the-origins-of-measure-dd/2009-08-18#comment-241185</link>
		<dc:creator>navigator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Sep 2009 01:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John,  thanks for the info.  I&#039;m really disappointed that we&#039;re only getting ten feet of  new grass area with the closure of El Embarcadero.  I know the original plans called for a very natural and bucolic setting with the reclaimed creek and arched foot bridges.  Now we get more concrete and more benches for public works not to maintain.  I&#039;m scared to think of what the 12th street area will look like once they deviate once again from the pretty pictures on the billboards.  Will we soon forget the new 4 acre park, the beautiful pedestrian foot bridges, the arched pier in front of the park with the best view in Oakland?  They better take it easy on the concrete on the 12th Street side of the Lake.  I don&#039;t want to see 12 lanes of asphalt replaced by one 120 foot wide sidewalk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John,  thanks for the info.  I&#8217;m really disappointed that we&#8217;re only getting ten feet of  new grass area with the closure of El Embarcadero.  I know the original plans called for a very natural and bucolic setting with the reclaimed creek and arched foot bridges.  Now we get more concrete and more benches for public works not to maintain.  I&#8217;m scared to think of what the 12th street area will look like once they deviate once again from the pretty pictures on the billboards.  Will we soon forget the new 4 acre park, the beautiful pedestrian foot bridges, the arched pier in front of the park with the best view in Oakland?  They better take it easy on the concrete on the 12th Street side of the Lake.  I don&#8217;t want to see 12 lanes of asphalt replaced by one 120 foot wide sidewalk.</p>
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		<title>By: John Klein</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/john-klein-boat-house-re-dedication-and-the-origins-of-measure-dd/2009-08-18#comment-241173</link>
		<dc:creator>John Klein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Sep 2009 17:44:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the Lakeshore repaving, a worker indicated that 3-4 inches of the current roadway surface would be removed before repaving Lakeshore.

Navigator, it seems that a strip of grass about 10 feet wide was reclaimed at the El Embarcadero by removing the roadway.  The walkway replacing it will have lighting and benches for sitting.  I’m sure it will be a popular change there.

I have the same concerns as you regarding the amount of concrete being placed by Measure DD.  Five/six foot sidewalks are being replaced by mostly 10 foot walks and even 12 foot wide in some areas.  In some places, there are new sidewalks which I think were altogether unnecessary.  These, along with the valet parking area at the Boat House, have really put a lot of green grass and park land under concrete.

It’s both a practical and esthetic issue and a lot of people like the wider walks.  I attended the Measure DD Community Coalition meeting a couple of months ago to express my concerns about all of the new concrete.  I think they could be using a “lighter touch” regarding the concrete.  But, as it turns out, the Coalition generally supports the wider walks and the wider walks have been part of the plan all along.

In any case, I&#039;ll be watching the widths of new sidewalks because more will be added, especially at 12th Street.  A lot of these walkways have already been planned and approved and I’m not sure how willing and open the City or Measure DD Coalition is to the idea of design changes regarding the sidewalks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the Lakeshore repaving, a worker indicated that 3-4 inches of the current roadway surface would be removed before repaving Lakeshore.</p>
<p>Navigator, it seems that a strip of grass about 10 feet wide was reclaimed at the El Embarcadero by removing the roadway.  The walkway replacing it will have lighting and benches for sitting.  I’m sure it will be a popular change there.</p>
<p>I have the same concerns as you regarding the amount of concrete being placed by Measure DD.  Five/six foot sidewalks are being replaced by mostly 10 foot walks and even 12 foot wide in some areas.  In some places, there are new sidewalks which I think were altogether unnecessary.  These, along with the valet parking area at the Boat House, have really put a lot of green grass and park land under concrete.</p>
<p>It’s both a practical and esthetic issue and a lot of people like the wider walks.  I attended the Measure DD Community Coalition meeting a couple of months ago to express my concerns about all of the new concrete.  I think they could be using a “lighter touch” regarding the concrete.  But, as it turns out, the Coalition generally supports the wider walks and the wider walks have been part of the plan all along.</p>
<p>In any case, I&#8217;ll be watching the widths of new sidewalks because more will be added, especially at 12th Street.  A lot of these walkways have already been planned and approved and I’m not sure how willing and open the City or Measure DD Coalition is to the idea of design changes regarding the sidewalks.</p>
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