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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 23:36:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work with Charlie LeDuff. He went to Berkeley&#039;s J-School, although I doubt that&#039;s where he learned to ask questions like &quot;But if you &lt;i&gt;were&lt;/i&gt; a nut, what kind of nut would you be?&quot; He&#039;s a bit of a prima donna who chafed in the newsroom culture of the New York Times, so he quit to become a stay-at-home dad, then moved back to Detroit to work for his hometown paper (not the typical trajectory of an ambitious reporter, obviously). It&#039;s nice to see that he&#039;s thriving there. I&#039;m sure he enjoys being a big fish in a small pond instead of a medium-sized fish in a big pond.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work with Charlie LeDuff. He went to Berkeley&#8217;s J-School, although I doubt that&#8217;s where he learned to ask questions like &#8220;But if you <i>were</i> a nut, what kind of nut would you be?&#8221; He&#8217;s a bit of a prima donna who chafed in the newsroom culture of the New York Times, so he quit to become a stay-at-home dad, then moved back to Detroit to work for his hometown paper (not the typical trajectory of an ambitious reporter, obviously). It&#8217;s nice to see that he&#8217;s thriving there. I&#8217;m sure he enjoys being a big fish in a small pond instead of a medium-sized fish in a big pond.</p>
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		<title>By: RDC</title>
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		<dc:creator>RDC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 18:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We need to get that 2nd 8th grader out of Detroit and into Oakland.  I&#039;ll vote for her in the next election.  Charlie LeDuff is fantastic.  Watching Mrs. Conyers do her business makes me feel good about Oakland&#039;s leaders for some reason or is there some great video out there on them?

V - Thanks for the videos.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We need to get that 2nd 8th grader out of Detroit and into Oakland.  I&#8217;ll vote for her in the next election.  Charlie LeDuff is fantastic.  Watching Mrs. Conyers do her business makes me feel good about Oakland&#8217;s leaders for some reason or is there some great video out there on them?</p>
<p>V &#8211; Thanks for the videos.</p>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
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		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 17:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooh, I&#039;m so glad somebody watched those videos. I love him too!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh, I&#8217;m so glad somebody watched those videos. I love him too!</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 17:36:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I only tagami vision was as funny as Charlie LeDuff.  That guy&#039;s a riot.  Get him to do a guest spot V, I love him!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I only tagami vision was as funny as Charlie LeDuff.  That guy&#8217;s a riot.  Get him to do a guest spot V, I love him!</p>
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		<title>By: James H. Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>James H. Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 17:33:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would expect that with the increased cost of gasoline plus the increase of office space in Oakland, more people will move to Oakland over time and eventually that excess housing inventory will be occupied.  It&#039;s just that the credit crunch has really hurt people&#039;s ability to buy, plus people (being the sheep they are) are currently scared.  Of course, it would REALLY help if crime decreased in Oakland, especially in East and West Oakland.  Meanwhile, homes in the hills have only lost a little of their value and are still selling fairly well, from what I&#039;ve heard.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would expect that with the increased cost of gasoline plus the increase of office space in Oakland, more people will move to Oakland over time and eventually that excess housing inventory will be occupied.  It&#8217;s just that the credit crunch has really hurt people&#8217;s ability to buy, plus people (being the sheep they are) are currently scared.  Of course, it would REALLY help if crime decreased in Oakland, especially in East and West Oakland.  Meanwhile, homes in the hills have only lost a little of their value and are still selling fairly well, from what I&#8217;ve heard.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 17:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks FF.  Thanks V.

I actually see quite a few vacant houses in my neighborhood.  I expect that my anecdotal evidence conflicts with the statistics because of where I am.  The neighborhood isn&#039;t doing great, and I also expect that the vacancies are underreported.  West Oakland is not likely representative of the whole city though.

It makes sense that we&#039;re growing.  We&#039;re cooler and cheaper than Berkeley or SF!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks FF.  Thanks V.</p>
<p>I actually see quite a few vacant houses in my neighborhood.  I expect that my anecdotal evidence conflicts with the statistics because of where I am.  The neighborhood isn&#8217;t doing great, and I also expect that the vacancies are underreported.  West Oakland is not likely representative of the whole city though.</p>
<p>It makes sense that we&#8217;re growing.  We&#8217;re cooler and cheaper than Berkeley or SF!</p>
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		<title>By: ConcernedOakFF</title>
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		<dc:creator>ConcernedOakFF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 15:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max-

Oakland has gained somewhere in the realm of 8-10,000 people in the last 5 years.  There are huge swaths of land the were purely industusrial that now have medium/high density housing, and even in this era of forclosures, there are few vacant houses in the city.

I would hazard to guess that our actual population, including illegal immigrants, is somewhere around 475,000</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max-</p>
<p>Oakland has gained somewhere in the realm of 8-10,000 people in the last 5 years.  There are huge swaths of land the were purely industusrial that now have medium/high density housing, and even in this era of forclosures, there are few vacant houses in the city.</p>
<p>I would hazard to guess that our actual population, including illegal immigrants, is somewhere around 475,000</p>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
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		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 02:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ken - 

The fight in the video actually happened during a special meeting of the City Council where they were supposed to be discussing the police whistle-blower lawsuit settlement - wait, do all you guys know about this? This whole story is just insane. From the (sort of) beginning and (sort of) quickly:

Detroit Mayor &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kilpatrick2005.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Kwame Kilpatrick&lt;/a&gt; threw this party in 2002 at his city-owned mansion and his wife, who he wasn&#039;t expecting, came home and found him with all these strippers, attacked one of the strippers and then the police started investigating the incident but Kilpatrick intefered with the investigation and then the police officers investigation the party and some officers from internal affairs were fired during the investigation, and sued the city over it. One of the strippers from the party was &lt;a href=&quot;http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080304/NEWS01/803040397&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;later murdered&lt;/a&gt; during the investigation of this party, and at least one former police officer alleges that the murder was committed by the police. 

The &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080209/METRO/802090359&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;whistleblower lawsuit&lt;/a&gt; came to trial in 2007, and the City lost, and got a judgement against it of $6.5 million. Kilpatrick said he would appeal the verdict, but soon later agreed to settle the suit for $8.4 million. Part of this settlement was that everyone agreed that text messages sent between the Mayor and his former chief of staff remain confidential. After much legal fighting, the text messages finally got released, and it turns out that they proved that Kilpatrick and the woman had had an affair, and lied about it under oath during the trial. After this and other details of the settlement came to light, Kilpatrick was charged with perjury, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy in March. The text messages are &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilpatrick_and_Beatty_text-messaging_scandal&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;insane&lt;/a&gt;. The City Council passed a resolution in March requesting that Kilpatrick resign (with every member present except Monica Conyers, the charming woman from the video above) voting in favor. Kilpatrick is not interested in resigning, and the Council has asked their City Attorney to try to find a way to legally remove him. Someone tried to start a recall petition, but the Mayor&#039;s office had the petition&#039;s approval rescinded.

Anyway, the Council was talking about the repercussions of their approval of the settlement when this video was taken. Conyers (wife of Congressman John Conyers), had already gotten into a fight with one of the other Councilmembers earlier in the meeting, so this is her second flip-out of the day.

Sweet Melissa has &lt;a href=&quot;http://sweetmelissa.typepad.com/sweet_melissa/2008/05/reason-number-4.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;updated her post&lt;/a&gt; with another amazing video, in which Monica Conyers sits among a group of middle school girls and defends her behavior, saying that the kids have probably all done it too and that it&#039;s okay because she was frustrated. This 8th grade girl totally schools her, too. It&#039;s awesome.
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She says in a subsequent interview that she&#039;s seen worse behavior than that at work in her capacity as a school teacher, and explains that she &quot;never said Shrek was bad or good.&quot; She later gives an excellent pitch for moving to Detroit: &quot;Come live in Detroit. Detroit is a wonderful place. You&#039;ll find good schools. You&#039;ll find lots of beautiful water, nice landscaping. Our neighborhoods are thriving, and coming back alive, and Detroit is UP on the move! Come look at Detroit for yourself and check out Detroit. DEEE-Troit!&quot; 
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Doesn&#039;t Oakland&#039;s city government not look all that bad now?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ken &#8211; </p>
<p>The fight in the video actually happened during a special meeting of the City Council where they were supposed to be discussing the police whistle-blower lawsuit settlement &#8211; wait, do all you guys know about this? This whole story is just insane. From the (sort of) beginning and (sort of) quickly:</p>
<p>Detroit Mayor <a href="http://www.kilpatrick2005.com/" rel="nofollow">Kwame Kilpatrick</a> threw this party in 2002 at his city-owned mansion and his wife, who he wasn&#8217;t expecting, came home and found him with all these strippers, attacked one of the strippers and then the police started investigating the incident but Kilpatrick intefered with the investigation and then the police officers investigation the party and some officers from internal affairs were fired during the investigation, and sued the city over it. One of the strippers from the party was <a href="http://freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080304/NEWS01/803040397" rel="nofollow">later murdered</a> during the investigation of this party, and at least one former police officer alleges that the murder was committed by the police. </p>
<p>The <a href="http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080209/METRO/802090359" rel="nofollow">whistleblower lawsuit</a> came to trial in 2007, and the City lost, and got a judgement against it of $6.5 million. Kilpatrick said he would appeal the verdict, but soon later agreed to settle the suit for $8.4 million. Part of this settlement was that everyone agreed that text messages sent between the Mayor and his former chief of staff remain confidential. After much legal fighting, the text messages finally got released, and it turns out that they proved that Kilpatrick and the woman had had an affair, and lied about it under oath during the trial. After this and other details of the settlement came to light, Kilpatrick was charged with perjury, obstruction of justice, and conspiracy in March. The text messages are <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kilpatrick_and_Beatty_text-messaging_scandal" rel="nofollow">insane</a>. The City Council passed a resolution in March requesting that Kilpatrick resign (with every member present except Monica Conyers, the charming woman from the video above) voting in favor. Kilpatrick is not interested in resigning, and the Council has asked their City Attorney to try to find a way to legally remove him. Someone tried to start a recall petition, but the Mayor&#8217;s office had the petition&#8217;s approval rescinded.</p>
<p>Anyway, the Council was talking about the repercussions of their approval of the settlement when this video was taken. Conyers (wife of Congressman John Conyers), had already gotten into a fight with one of the other Councilmembers earlier in the meeting, so this is her second flip-out of the day.</p>
<p>Sweet Melissa has <a href="http://sweetmelissa.typepad.com/sweet_melissa/2008/05/reason-number-4.html" rel="nofollow">updated her post</a> with another amazing video, in which Monica Conyers sits among a group of middle school girls and defends her behavior, saying that the kids have probably all done it too and that it&#8217;s okay because she was frustrated. This 8th grade girl totally schools her, too. It&#8217;s awesome.<br />
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<p>She says in a subsequent interview that she&#8217;s seen worse behavior than that at work in her capacity as a school teacher, and explains that she &#8220;never said Shrek was bad or good.&#8221; She later gives an excellent pitch for moving to Detroit: &#8220;Come live in Detroit. Detroit is a wonderful place. You&#8217;ll find good schools. You&#8217;ll find lots of beautiful water, nice landscaping. Our neighborhoods are thriving, and coming back alive, and Detroit is UP on the move! Come look at Detroit for yourself and check out Detroit. DEEE-Troit!&#8221;<br />
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<p>Doesn&#8217;t Oakland&#8217;s city government not look all that bad now?</p>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
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		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 00:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wrote one of my &lt;a href=&quot;http://futureoakland.wordpress.com/2006/04/19/is-oakland-shrinking-to-the-contrary/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;very first blogs&lt;/a&gt; about this! Short story is - people who don&#039;t understand statistics looked at some numbers that aren&#039;t actually comparable and concluded that Oakland is bleeding population at an absurd rate and their claims were repeated frequently in the newspaper, but actually, we&#039;ve been growing, although not particularly quickly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wrote one of my <a href="http://futureoakland.wordpress.com/2006/04/19/is-oakland-shrinking-to-the-contrary/" rel="nofollow">very first blogs</a> about this! Short story is &#8211; people who don&#8217;t understand statistics looked at some numbers that aren&#8217;t actually comparable and concluded that Oakland is bleeding population at an absurd rate and their claims were repeated frequently in the newspaper, but actually, we&#8217;ve been growing, although not particularly quickly.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 00:29:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I thought Oakland lost people over the last few years.  If I remember correctly, we lost low income residents, and gained some higher income residents, with a net population decrease.  My memory is usually pretty good, but v- could you tell me If I&#039;m hallucinating this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I thought Oakland lost people over the last few years.  If I remember correctly, we lost low income residents, and gained some higher income residents, with a net population decrease.  My memory is usually pretty good, but v- could you tell me If I&#8217;m hallucinating this?</p>
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