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		<title>By: len</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/heads-up-bus-riders/2009-05-25#comment-221944</link>
		<dc:creator>len</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Jun 2009 04:50:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>das,  surprised to hear that they&#039;re quieter than late model buses, would think steel on steel wasn&#039;t louder than rubber on asphalt but diesel engine noise is inherently loud.

reducing future road repair and rebuilding. makes it seem worth floating a big bond issue to supplement fed money to bring back street cars.

if you&#039;re going to reduce on street parking for merchants, you might as well do it right the first time.  

but it&#039;s probably 15 years or more before the cost savings of street cars overtakes  higher installation, wiring, and equipment costs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>das,  surprised to hear that they&#8217;re quieter than late model buses, would think steel on steel wasn&#8217;t louder than rubber on asphalt but diesel engine noise is inherently loud.</p>
<p>reducing future road repair and rebuilding. makes it seem worth floating a big bond issue to supplement fed money to bring back street cars.</p>
<p>if you&#8217;re going to reduce on street parking for merchants, you might as well do it right the first time.  </p>
<p>but it&#8217;s probably 15 years or more before the cost savings of street cars overtakes  higher installation, wiring, and equipment costs.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Levy</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/heads-up-bus-riders/2009-05-25#comment-221932</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Levy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if this is already in the comments but here is the latest in the proposed cuts.

http://www.actransit.org/aboutac/bod/memos/e299ed.pdf

The cuts do not seem so terrible. Some places do loose some service, but not many people ride there anyways. The 59 and the 41 should have been eliminated a long time ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if this is already in the comments but here is the latest in the proposed cuts.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.actransit.org/aboutac/bod/memos/e299ed.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.actransit.org/aboutac/bod/memos/e299ed.pdf</a></p>
<p>The cuts do not seem so terrible. Some places do loose some service, but not many people ride there anyways. The 59 and the 41 should have been eliminated a long time ago.</p>
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		<title>By: das88</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/heads-up-bus-riders/2009-05-25#comment-168164</link>
		<dc:creator>das88</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 18:45:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wish this thread hadn&#039;t degenerated into a bunch of name calling. While I lean toward BRT as better than the status quo, I am fairly weak in my support. I do think the criticisms Glen raised do have a lot of credence - I&#039;ve ridden the Van Hools a few times and think they pretty much suck.

Anyhoo, if we can&#039;t have civil discourse on pros and cons of ACT management and strategy, I&#039;ll try a different tact. I recently discovered the Infrastructurist blog - they have really good posts on transit and other big scale civic development. Currently, they have an interesting post on 36 reasons streetcars are better than buses (including BRT).
http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/06/03/36-reasons-that-streetcars-are-better-than-buses/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish this thread hadn&#8217;t degenerated into a bunch of name calling. While I lean toward BRT as better than the status quo, I am fairly weak in my support. I do think the criticisms Glen raised do have a lot of credence &#8211; I&#8217;ve ridden the Van Hools a few times and think they pretty much suck.</p>
<p>Anyhoo, if we can&#8217;t have civil discourse on pros and cons of ACT management and strategy, I&#8217;ll try a different tact. I recently discovered the Infrastructurist blog &#8211; they have really good posts on transit and other big scale civic development. Currently, they have an interesting post on 36 reasons streetcars are better than buses (including BRT).<br />
<a href="http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/06/03/36-reasons-that-streetcars-are-better-than-buses/" rel="nofollow">http://www.infrastructurist.com/2009/06/03/36-reasons-that-streetcars-are-better-than-buses/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/heads-up-bus-riders/2009-05-25#comment-166548</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 02:06:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They&#039;re not great served warm, but they&#039;re a great comedic prop.

http://www.trendhunter.com/trends/metropolitan-martini-ready-to-go

Walk through Jack London drinking one at your own risk.  Technically that would be illegal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They&#8217;re not great served warm, but they&#8217;re a great comedic prop.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.trendhunter.com/trends/metropolitan-martini-ready-to-go" rel="nofollow">http://www.trendhunter.com/trends/metropolitan-martini-ready-to-go</a></p>
<p>Walk through Jack London drinking one at your own risk.  Technically that would be illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/heads-up-bus-riders/2009-05-25#comment-166504</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Jun 2009 01:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well he does go drinking with the right people...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well he does go drinking with the right people&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: livegreen</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/heads-up-bus-riders/2009-05-25#comment-166264</link>
		<dc:creator>livegreen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max,  Then Chris is probably in on it. (Guilt by association &amp; all that :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max,  Then Chris is probably in on it. (Guilt by association &amp; all that <img src='http://www.abetteroakland.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 23:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glen, you do realize that Chris has, among other things, written detailed reports on the zoning update, has been closely involved in the housing element of the city&#039;s zoning update.  He&#039;s anything but under informed.  

If you&#039;re going to accuse people of being born yesterday or having a &quot;vested interest in the bureaucratic status quo&quot; you&#039;re going to need to back that up.  On point 1, Chris was born in 1982 and I was born in 1976, so you&#039;re refuted.  On point 2, I&#039;d love to hear what you think our &quot;vested interests&quot; might be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glen, you do realize that Chris has, among other things, written detailed reports on the zoning update, has been closely involved in the housing element of the city&#8217;s zoning update.  He&#8217;s anything but under informed.  </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to accuse people of being born yesterday or having a &#8220;vested interest in the bureaucratic status quo&#8221; you&#8217;re going to need to back that up.  On point 1, Chris was born in 1982 and I was born in 1976, so you&#8217;re refuted.  On point 2, I&#8217;d love to hear what you think our &#8220;vested interests&#8221; might be.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:24:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris— that&#039;s a bigger if than you know. You, on the other hand, show no critical faculty at all regarding the subject at hand. Faux literate punk indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris— that&#8217;s a bigger if than you know. You, on the other hand, show no critical faculty at all regarding the subject at hand. Faux literate punk indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Kidd</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/heads-up-bus-riders/2009-05-25#comment-166028</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Kidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:21:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;you either have to have been born yesterday or have a vested interest in their bureaucratic status quo not to question the agency’s reasons&quot;

I don&#039;t think I&#039;ve ever seen a bigger, more tinder-dry straw man in my life.

Glen, if you&#039;re relying solely on EBX and the Berkeley Daily Planet as your source for dispassionately objective analysis of fact (as it seems you do, after perusing your website), you&#039;ve got bigger problems than having your nose tweaked by a &quot;faux-literate&quot; punk like me on this here blog.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;you either have to have been born yesterday or have a vested interest in their bureaucratic status quo not to question the agency’s reasons&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever seen a bigger, more tinder-dry straw man in my life.</p>
<p>Glen, if you&#8217;re relying solely on EBX and the Berkeley Daily Planet as your source for dispassionately objective analysis of fact (as it seems you do, after perusing your website), you&#8217;ve got bigger problems than having your nose tweaked by a &#8220;faux-literate&#8221; punk like me on this here blog.</p>
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		<title>By: Glen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Jun 2009 21:08:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;das&#039;— a number of postings above mirror the diversions and rationales given by AC Transit for damned strange doings at that agency. Starting with &#039;Poor AC Transit ... is going to &#039;have&#039; to cut service.&#039; Riders have watched &#039;Poor AC Transit&#039; cut services since 2003 when the G.M. took over and hired consultants to suggest which lines to axe. Millions wasted is the explanation for the present state of affairs and millions don&#039;t get wasted unless there are weevils in the flour. Any real business would clean house at a time like this, starting at the top.

David V— I have seen some hanging straps on a few buses but they don&#039;t look like an easy target or solid support if someone needs to make a sudden grab. VH buses aren&#039;t made like city buses should be because they aren&#039;t city buses—they are touring coaches sporting cheap interior hardware to adapt them to an un-envisioned role. Have you been watching the corrugated bellows in the articulated buses come unstuck? Thin fiberglas shell seats vibrate four inches up-and-down? Slender stanchions secured by just one bolt to interior walls? These Rube Goldberg, spit and chewing gum improvisations aren&#039;t even close to the best on the market. That&#039;s why apologists for R. Fernandez&#039;  and C. People&#039;s love affair with Brussels and the rest of Europe can only talk about low floors and third doors. To top it off Van Hools aren&#039;t robust enough to hold up under long use on American roads, which is why AC Transit refuses to have its buses tested at the Federal facility in Pennsylvania prior to buying them.

I purchase equipment and services on behalf of others. I know when the customer (East Bay bus riding public) is being over charged and short-counted and boy, are we ever!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;das&#8217;— a number of postings above mirror the diversions and rationales given by AC Transit for damned strange doings at that agency. Starting with &#8216;Poor AC Transit &#8230; is going to &#8216;have&#8217; to cut service.&#8217; Riders have watched &#8216;Poor AC Transit&#8217; cut services since 2003 when the G.M. took over and hired consultants to suggest which lines to axe. Millions wasted is the explanation for the present state of affairs and millions don&#8217;t get wasted unless there are weevils in the flour. Any real business would clean house at a time like this, starting at the top.</p>
<p>David V— I have seen some hanging straps on a few buses but they don&#8217;t look like an easy target or solid support if someone needs to make a sudden grab. VH buses aren&#8217;t made like city buses should be because they aren&#8217;t city buses—they are touring coaches sporting cheap interior hardware to adapt them to an un-envisioned role. Have you been watching the corrugated bellows in the articulated buses come unstuck? Thin fiberglas shell seats vibrate four inches up-and-down? Slender stanchions secured by just one bolt to interior walls? These Rube Goldberg, spit and chewing gum improvisations aren&#8217;t even close to the best on the market. That&#8217;s why apologists for R. Fernandez&#8217;  and C. People&#8217;s love affair with Brussels and the rest of Europe can only talk about low floors and third doors. To top it off Van Hools aren&#8217;t robust enough to hold up under long use on American roads, which is why AC Transit refuses to have its buses tested at the Federal facility in Pennsylvania prior to buying them.</p>
<p>I purchase equipment and services on behalf of others. I know when the customer (East Bay bus riding public) is being over charged and short-counted and boy, are we ever!</p>
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