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	<title>Comments on: Kent Lewandowski: Good Jobs, Clean Air</title>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/good-jobs-clean-air/2008-07-28#comment-3067</link>
		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 15:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not aware of any such threat from Levi&#039;s, and I wasn&#039;t able to find any information about it from a few simple search attempts. If anyone has a link, please share it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not aware of any such threat from Levi&#8217;s, and I wasn&#8217;t able to find any information about it from a few simple search attempts. If anyone has a link, please share it.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/good-jobs-clean-air/2008-07-28#comment-3066</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 03:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that Levi&#039;s and friends were talking of a suit over new port fees to finance upgrading the fleet, no?  Trucking was the beneficiary, not the victim.

Am I crazy or is this some past issue that&#039;s since died?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that Levi&#8217;s and friends were talking of a suit over new port fees to finance upgrading the fleet, no?  Trucking was the beneficiary, not the victim.</p>
<p>Am I crazy or is this some past issue that&#8217;s since died?</p>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/good-jobs-clean-air/2008-07-28#comment-3065</link>
		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 02:29:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Speaking of lawsuits, the Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach are currently being &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_10023831&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;sued by&lt;/a&gt; the American Trucking Association over their &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/jun2008/2008-06-26-093.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Clean Truck Program&lt;/a&gt;. The association argues that the trucking regulatory structure imposed by the plan will &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/ata-files-suit-block-los/story.aspx?guid=%7BCA7C54FA-6510-4591-B6CA-582DA6BEFB7F%7D&amp;dist=hppr&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;impede competition&lt;/a&gt;, forcing small trucking companies and independent truckers out of business.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of lawsuits, the Ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach are currently being <a href="http://www.mercurynews.com/news/ci_10023831" rel="nofollow">sued by</a> the American Trucking Association over their <a href="http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/jun2008/2008-06-26-093.asp" rel="nofollow">Clean Truck Program</a>. The association argues that the trucking regulatory structure imposed by the plan will <a href="http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/ata-files-suit-block-los/story.aspx?guid=%7BCA7C54FA-6510-4591-B6CA-582DA6BEFB7F%7D&amp;dist=hppr" rel="nofollow">impede competition</a>, forcing small trucking companies and independent truckers out of business.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/good-jobs-clean-air/2008-07-28#comment-3064</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:08:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for the port, I tell you what, Levi&#039;s has threatened to sue if new regulations are imposed.  I say if they do sue, we should bring kids with inhalers to their storefronts and plaza to hand out flyers until they back off.  We could do a youtube spot with kids choking on jeans tied around their necks.  If a little port surcharge is a threat to Levi&#039;s existence, they&#039;re already in too much trouble to save.  If it&#039;s a threat to a little of their shareholders&#039; capital gains, I don&#039;t care.  West Oakland has choked long enough.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for the port, I tell you what, Levi&#8217;s has threatened to sue if new regulations are imposed.  I say if they do sue, we should bring kids with inhalers to their storefronts and plaza to hand out flyers until they back off.  We could do a youtube spot with kids choking on jeans tied around their necks.  If a little port surcharge is a threat to Levi&#8217;s existence, they&#8217;re already in too much trouble to save.  If it&#8217;s a threat to a little of their shareholders&#8217; capital gains, I don&#8217;t care.  West Oakland has choked long enough.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/good-jobs-clean-air/2008-07-28#comment-3063</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:02:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy, how can you say you don&#039;t believe in unionization, but you believe in a free market?  The freedom to unionize is part of freedom of association, no?  If enough truckers get their act together and strike, they can use their freedom to associate and freedom to strike to leverage the free market to give them more money.

I think believing in a free market is silly, because the entire concept is a cypher.  A truly free market would include slaves, drugs, porn, insider trading, influence peddling and all sorts of things that are less hyperbole but just as dodgy.  There is no free market.  Maybe in Somalia.  Even then, the powerful meddle and obstruct.  

If a group or individual has the power to control or regulate market forces to their advantage,  they&#039;ll do it.  They are always free to try.  Their opponents are always free to try to undo them.  That&#039;s your free market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy, how can you say you don&#8217;t believe in unionization, but you believe in a free market?  The freedom to unionize is part of freedom of association, no?  If enough truckers get their act together and strike, they can use their freedom to associate and freedom to strike to leverage the free market to give them more money.</p>
<p>I think believing in a free market is silly, because the entire concept is a cypher.  A truly free market would include slaves, drugs, porn, insider trading, influence peddling and all sorts of things that are less hyperbole but just as dodgy.  There is no free market.  Maybe in Somalia.  Even then, the powerful meddle and obstruct.  </p>
<p>If a group or individual has the power to control or regulate market forces to their advantage,  they&#8217;ll do it.  They are always free to try.  Their opponents are always free to try to undo them.  That&#8217;s your free market.</p>
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		<title>By: dwhiting</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/good-jobs-clean-air/2008-07-28#comment-3062</link>
		<dc:creator>dwhiting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 22:10:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Independent contractors are not just getting squeezed out by expensive capital costs to replace older (pre-1994 trucks) and emissions control devices. Like the rest of the supply chain, they will also soon be facing expensive mandated security upgrades to include RFID.  Although truckers&#039; compensation and benefits will improve, and the dirtiest polluting trucks (read oldest, least maintained) will be eliminated, it remains to be seen just how many independents can be expected to obtain a unionized company job. 

In the long run the Port itself would rather deal with union truck companies, esp. if the increased costs applies to similar rules at L.A. and Long Beach ports. Afterall every other tenant/vendor at the marine terminals is a union shop, what&#039;s one more?  As long as it doesn&#039;t put the Port of Oakland at an cost competitive disadvantage to other west coast ports. One concern is once a rule is in place is that shortly, consolidation will occur amongst the trucking companies. In fact a Port consultant will be researching that and related questions very soon.

R. Kaplan - as for improving air quality by reducing wait times, already all trucks are required to abide by anti-idling laws, which are largely ignored an unenforced. My guess is that despite elaborate policies to ensure terminal dispatchers are even handed in assigning loads, independent operators get the short shrift and therefore wait in long lines to gain a (perceived?) advantage back.  Earlier this year CARB did an air quality study on the risk of cancer from particulate matter at the marine terminal/rail yard/I-880.  Gate idling is a tiny miniscule compared to other sources 
http://www.arb.ca.gov/ch/communities/ra/westoakland/documents/appendixa031908.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Independent contractors are not just getting squeezed out by expensive capital costs to replace older (pre-1994 trucks) and emissions control devices. Like the rest of the supply chain, they will also soon be facing expensive mandated security upgrades to include RFID.  Although truckers&#8217; compensation and benefits will improve, and the dirtiest polluting trucks (read oldest, least maintained) will be eliminated, it remains to be seen just how many independents can be expected to obtain a unionized company job. </p>
<p>In the long run the Port itself would rather deal with union truck companies, esp. if the increased costs applies to similar rules at L.A. and Long Beach ports. Afterall every other tenant/vendor at the marine terminals is a union shop, what&#8217;s one more?  As long as it doesn&#8217;t put the Port of Oakland at an cost competitive disadvantage to other west coast ports. One concern is once a rule is in place is that shortly, consolidation will occur amongst the trucking companies. In fact a Port consultant will be researching that and related questions very soon.</p>
<p>R. Kaplan &#8211; as for improving air quality by reducing wait times, already all trucks are required to abide by anti-idling laws, which are largely ignored an unenforced. My guess is that despite elaborate policies to ensure terminal dispatchers are even handed in assigning loads, independent operators get the short shrift and therefore wait in long lines to gain a (perceived?) advantage back.  Earlier this year CARB did an air quality study on the risk of cancer from particulate matter at the marine terminal/rail yard/I-880.  Gate idling is a tiny miniscule compared to other sources<br />
<a href="http://www.arb.ca.gov/ch/communities/ra/westoakland/documents/appendixa031908.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.arb.ca.gov/ch/communities/ra/westoakland/documents/appendixa031908.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca Kaplan</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/good-jobs-clean-air/2008-07-28#comment-3061</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca Kaplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 21:04:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thoughts on The relationship between &quot;worker status&quot; and the &quot;environment&quot;:

The truck drivers, now called &quot;independent contractors,&quot; are paid by the load, not by the hour.  So, there is no incentive by those with the power to do so, to reduce the hours spent by truck drivers idling while waiting in line.   The current system, in which drivers spend hours waiting line, is incredibly economically inefficient, while at the same time causing excess diesel exhaust, and thus, damage to human health and the environment.

So, everybody suffers from the current system.  As the price of diesel fuel rises, the system becomes more and more costly and wasteful.  But, the &quot;waste&quot; is externalized onto the truck drivers, (who have to pay more for fuel, and lose money due to waiting in line), and is externalized through the pollution and health impacts onto others.

Everybody would be better off with a change that provided not only cleaner-burning engines and/or cleaner fuel, but also a better system for pick-up and delivery, which eliminated wasteful idling.   If an employer were paying the truck drivers as employees by the hour, (and costs like fuel), it would immediately become obvious that the financially wise choice would be to fix the pick-up and delivery system to have less wasted time, and thus, less wasted fuel and less pollution.

So, in this case, the &quot;worker status&quot; issue does connect to the environmental impact.

Trains are also an important piece of the Port&#039;s future, and I certainly support expanding rail freight.  Because of the range of places where deliveries need to go, trains alone won&#039;t solve all the problems, so, while working on expanding rail-based solutions, we will still need to improve the efficiency of the trucking pickup and delivery systems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thoughts on The relationship between &#8220;worker status&#8221; and the &#8220;environment&#8221;:</p>
<p>The truck drivers, now called &#8220;independent contractors,&#8221; are paid by the load, not by the hour.  So, there is no incentive by those with the power to do so, to reduce the hours spent by truck drivers idling while waiting in line.   The current system, in which drivers spend hours waiting line, is incredibly economically inefficient, while at the same time causing excess diesel exhaust, and thus, damage to human health and the environment.</p>
<p>So, everybody suffers from the current system.  As the price of diesel fuel rises, the system becomes more and more costly and wasteful.  But, the &#8220;waste&#8221; is externalized onto the truck drivers, (who have to pay more for fuel, and lose money due to waiting in line), and is externalized through the pollution and health impacts onto others.</p>
<p>Everybody would be better off with a change that provided not only cleaner-burning engines and/or cleaner fuel, but also a better system for pick-up and delivery, which eliminated wasteful idling.   If an employer were paying the truck drivers as employees by the hour, (and costs like fuel), it would immediately become obvious that the financially wise choice would be to fix the pick-up and delivery system to have less wasted time, and thus, less wasted fuel and less pollution.</p>
<p>So, in this case, the &#8220;worker status&#8221; issue does connect to the environmental impact.</p>
<p>Trains are also an important piece of the Port&#8217;s future, and I certainly support expanding rail freight.  Because of the range of places where deliveries need to go, trains alone won&#8217;t solve all the problems, so, while working on expanding rail-based solutions, we will still need to improve the efficiency of the trucking pickup and delivery systems.</p>
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		<title>By: mcas</title>
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		<dc:creator>mcas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Currently, the truck drivers who make very low wages are individually responsible for meeting the ARB regulations.  The basic argument is: Wal-Mart, Target, and other mutli-national corporations call &#039;trucking companies&#039; who then call their &#039;independent contractors&#039; who are the individual truck drivers.  

It&#039;s not about &#039;forming a union&#039;--   they are incorrectly classified as independent contractors, and, therefore, the people who actually profit off of the trucking industry (huge corporations) shield themselves from any accountability-- since they can just blame the &#039;independent contractors&#039;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Currently, the truck drivers who make very low wages are individually responsible for meeting the ARB regulations.  The basic argument is: Wal-Mart, Target, and other mutli-national corporations call &#8216;trucking companies&#8217; who then call their &#8216;independent contractors&#8217; who are the individual truck drivers.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not about &#8216;forming a union&#8217;&#8211;   they are incorrectly classified as independent contractors, and, therefore, the people who actually profit off of the trucking industry (huge corporations) shield themselves from any accountability&#8211; since they can just blame the &#8216;independent contractors&#8217;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: justin</title>
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		<dc:creator>justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:53:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the idea is that the higher wages unionized employees receive will enable drivers to afford to retrofit their trucks, thus helping the environment.  To suggest that unionization is necessary for the environment here is not entirely accurate.  To say that unionization will have additional health, safety, and conditions of employment benefits for drivers, while enabling retooling of trucks, is quite reasonable.

I know Nadel has talked about a co-op of drivers.  Needless to say, the status quo is unacceptable for everyone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the idea is that the higher wages unionized employees receive will enable drivers to afford to retrofit their trucks, thus helping the environment.  To suggest that unionization is necessary for the environment here is not entirely accurate.  To say that unionization will have additional health, safety, and conditions of employment benefits for drivers, while enabling retooling of trucks, is quite reasonable.</p>
<p>I know Nadel has talked about a co-op of drivers.  Needless to say, the status quo is unacceptable for everyone.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 19:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am skeptical of this too.  I fail to see how unionization should be the mode for these truckers to recover their expenses in meeting the legal requirement to upgrade their engines.  What is the arguement for why owner operators should be allowed to unionize?  How about a co-op?  

I still believe in the free market.  If it cost more, then they should be able to charge more.  If some can&#039;t afford it, then, yes, they go out of biz, causing a shortage, thus driving up wages.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am skeptical of this too.  I fail to see how unionization should be the mode for these truckers to recover their expenses in meeting the legal requirement to upgrade their engines.  What is the arguement for why owner operators should be allowed to unionize?  How about a co-op?  </p>
<p>I still believe in the free market.  If it cost more, then they should be able to charge more.  If some can&#8217;t afford it, then, yes, they go out of biz, causing a shortage, thus driving up wages.</p>
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