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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 03:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another Westoaklander, I thought you were refering to a friend of ours who&#039;s name is similar to blair but isn&#039;t.

also, broadway terrace is post-automobile, I believe.  suburban style thought.  made for cars.  or it was a streetcar suburb.    to me the whole beauty of West Oakland is that it was made for pedestrians in the first place, and we oughta try and help it have it&#039;s renaissance unfold accordingly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Westoaklander, I thought you were refering to a friend of ours who&#8217;s name is similar to blair but isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>also, broadway terrace is post-automobile, I believe.  suburban style thought.  made for cars.  or it was a streetcar suburb.    to me the whole beauty of West Oakland is that it was made for pedestrians in the first place, and we oughta try and help it have it&#8217;s renaissance unfold accordingly.</p>
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		<title>By: masb</title>
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		<dc:creator>masb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 02:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am so grateful for your coverage of Downtown and District 3 that I hope if you decide to cover other neighborhoods (ie East Oakland) you will enlist other writers.  I don&#039;t think one person can do it all.  I don&#039;t comment often but I am a daily reader and really appreciate this blog.  By the way, at one time I was a NN voter but not anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am so grateful for your coverage of Downtown and District 3 that I hope if you decide to cover other neighborhoods (ie East Oakland) you will enlist other writers.  I don&#8217;t think one person can do it all.  I don&#8217;t comment often but I am a daily reader and really appreciate this blog.  By the way, at one time I was a NN voter but not anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Westoaklander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Westoaklander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for setting me straight on the people&#039;s grocery, V Smoothe, I stand corrected. What a shame that they&#039;re not around anymore! But regarding college ave: how many stores do you have along broadway terrace? you are comparing apples to oranges. and again, there will be a store opening 3 blocks from the fresh &amp; easy location very soon.

but max allstadt, it must be my job today to educate you:
i quote from wikipedia:

Along with enjoying a close relationship with Bill Clinton during the latter&#039;s time in office, Blair has formed a strong political alliance with George W. Bush, particularly in the area of foreign policy. At one point, Nelson Mandela described Blair as &quot;the U.S. foreign minister&quot;.[83] Blair has also often openly been referred to as &quot;Bush&#039;s poodle&quot;.[84]

and to everyone, i will not agree to disagree on the naming of neighborhoods. not only is prescott (not that other name) listed as eligible for inclusion in the national register of historic places, but clawson/mcclymonds and bunche neighborhoods have also long standing histories and should presumably see a little more respect than what is being dished out: oh, i live in sh*thole, oakland. how is that different from what you&#039;re calling these areas? still wondering why we get no respect? start respecting your neighborhood and maybe others will follow. a lot is in a name...

finally, i really enjoy this forum and i thank everyone for the info on sullivan who, i hope, will not turn out to be a poodle after all ;) we can certainly use more smart, educated, and community oriented people around here, whether elected or not! 
ps. it might not be smart to refer to him as &#039;ss&#039; however... (...what&#039;s in a name ;))</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for setting me straight on the people&#8217;s grocery, V Smoothe, I stand corrected. What a shame that they&#8217;re not around anymore! But regarding college ave: how many stores do you have along broadway terrace? you are comparing apples to oranges. and again, there will be a store opening 3 blocks from the fresh &amp; easy location very soon.</p>
<p>but max allstadt, it must be my job today to educate you:<br />
i quote from wikipedia:</p>
<p>Along with enjoying a close relationship with Bill Clinton during the latter&#8217;s time in office, Blair has formed a strong political alliance with George W. Bush, particularly in the area of foreign policy. At one point, Nelson Mandela described Blair as &#8220;the U.S. foreign minister&#8221;.[83] Blair has also often openly been referred to as &#8220;Bush&#8217;s poodle&#8221;.[84]</p>
<p>and to everyone, i will not agree to disagree on the naming of neighborhoods. not only is prescott (not that other name) listed as eligible for inclusion in the national register of historic places, but clawson/mcclymonds and bunche neighborhoods have also long standing histories and should presumably see a little more respect than what is being dished out: oh, i live in sh*thole, oakland. how is that different from what you&#8217;re calling these areas? still wondering why we get no respect? start respecting your neighborhood and maybe others will follow. a lot is in a name&#8230;</p>
<p>finally, i really enjoy this forum and i thank everyone for the info on sullivan who, i hope, will not turn out to be a poodle after all <img src='http://www.abetteroakland.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />  we can certainly use more smart, educated, and community oriented people around here, whether elected or not!<br />
ps. it might not be smart to refer to him as &#8216;ss&#8217; however&#8230; (&#8230;what&#8217;s in a name <img src='http://www.abetteroakland.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
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		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nancy Nadel, in her TagamiVision interview, says that in addition to starting her chocolate business, she is also in the process of starting two non-profits. Where she plans to find time to do her Council work is beyond me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nancy Nadel, in her TagamiVision interview, says that in addition to starting her chocolate business, she is also in the process of starting two non-profits. Where she plans to find time to do her Council work is beyond me.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was gonna say at the beginning that Dogtown and Ghosttown could easily be considered disparaging, but they&#039;re also catchy.  Tenderloin and Dogpatch in SF could be looked at the same way.  Ultimately names like that come and go.  If the are gets better, they&#039;ll have nostalgia value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was gonna say at the beginning that Dogtown and Ghosttown could easily be considered disparaging, but they&#8217;re also catchy.  Tenderloin and Dogpatch in SF could be looked at the same way.  Ultimately names like that come and go.  If the are gets better, they&#8217;ll have nostalgia value.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 00:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another Westoaklander:

I&#039;m not going to get into the semantics of what to call a neighborhood.  Dogtown and Ghosttown are easily considered disparaging, but 

As for the neighborhood services West of 980, I think it&#039;s laughable to say that they&#039;re adequate.  This area super flat, for the most part the block size is relatively small, and it&#039;s street layout mostly pre-dates the automobile.  This is the ultimate recipe for a thriving walkable neighborhood.  We&#039;ve got the recipe, we need a better cook. 

Things like conditional use permits and residential zoning restrictions screw things up.  That&#039;s not Nadel&#039;s fault, it&#039;s the whole council and planning commission.  If you compare the variety of things one can do in residential zones in SF to what&#039;s allowed here, it really sticks out.  We&#039;re way too restricted for an urban area.  The rules are more appropriate for Levittown type scenarios.  There are 11x17 sheets detailing these use restrictions available at Oakland&#039;s planning department and at SF&#039;s planning department.  If I can get a hold of PDFs for comparison, I&#039;ll send them to V to post here.  The contrast is ridiculous.  

And again, the people I see buying sardines for lunch don&#039;t usually look like they could get on a bike.  Ridesharing is all well and good, but if we make it EASY to eat right, rather than requiring people to go out of their way, we&#039;ll do much better.

Developer poodle?  Unlikely.  Sean&#039;s spent too much of his career working with poor people to kowtow to irresponsible development that would push them out.  I&#039;m no developer appologist either.  In fact, my first contact ever with Nadel&#039;s office was to submit a letter that condemned the Mandela Grand project as &quot;Glittering towers from which the rich would look down upon the poor&quot; because that was literally true.  

If there&#039;s one thing I can say for Sullivan above all others it&#039;s this: I&#039;ve had rigorous discussions with him, and I&#039;ve seen him change his mind in the face of good reasoning which contradicted his point of view.  Plus he&#039;s really really nice.  OK that was two things.  

While I&#039;m going over, I&#039;ll add that Sean has pledged to work exclusively on the Council.  How many hours a week do you think it takes to start a chocolate factory?  How much energy and effort will be expended there and not on our behalf?

Oh, and the guy&#039;s name isn&#039;t Mr. Blair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Westoaklander:</p>
<p>I&#8217;m not going to get into the semantics of what to call a neighborhood.  Dogtown and Ghosttown are easily considered disparaging, but </p>
<p>As for the neighborhood services West of 980, I think it&#8217;s laughable to say that they&#8217;re adequate.  This area super flat, for the most part the block size is relatively small, and it&#8217;s street layout mostly pre-dates the automobile.  This is the ultimate recipe for a thriving walkable neighborhood.  We&#8217;ve got the recipe, we need a better cook. </p>
<p>Things like conditional use permits and residential zoning restrictions screw things up.  That&#8217;s not Nadel&#8217;s fault, it&#8217;s the whole council and planning commission.  If you compare the variety of things one can do in residential zones in SF to what&#8217;s allowed here, it really sticks out.  We&#8217;re way too restricted for an urban area.  The rules are more appropriate for Levittown type scenarios.  There are 11&#215;17 sheets detailing these use restrictions available at Oakland&#8217;s planning department and at SF&#8217;s planning department.  If I can get a hold of PDFs for comparison, I&#8217;ll send them to V to post here.  The contrast is ridiculous.  </p>
<p>And again, the people I see buying sardines for lunch don&#8217;t usually look like they could get on a bike.  Ridesharing is all well and good, but if we make it EASY to eat right, rather than requiring people to go out of their way, we&#8217;ll do much better.</p>
<p>Developer poodle?  Unlikely.  Sean&#8217;s spent too much of his career working with poor people to kowtow to irresponsible development that would push them out.  I&#8217;m no developer appologist either.  In fact, my first contact ever with Nadel&#8217;s office was to submit a letter that condemned the Mandela Grand project as &#8220;Glittering towers from which the rich would look down upon the poor&#8221; because that was literally true.  </p>
<p>If there&#8217;s one thing I can say for Sullivan above all others it&#8217;s this: I&#8217;ve had rigorous discussions with him, and I&#8217;ve seen him change his mind in the face of good reasoning which contradicted his point of view.  Plus he&#8217;s really really nice.  OK that was two things.  </p>
<p>While I&#8217;m going over, I&#8217;ll add that Sean has pledged to work exclusively on the Council.  How many hours a week do you think it takes to start a chocolate factory?  How much energy and effort will be expended there and not on our behalf?</p>
<p>Oh, and the guy&#8217;s name isn&#8217;t Mr. Blair.</p>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
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		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 23:55:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James H. Robinson - 

The only announced Fresh &amp; Easy location in Oakland is at the Eastmont Mall, I think. So East Oakland will be getting another grocery store if F&amp;E opens, but they certainly could use more than one. East Oakland often gets neglected on this blog because I&#039;m so focused on downtown and District 3 issues, and that&#039;s something I really do need to work on. 

Another Westoaklander - 

Regarding your comment that other neighborhoods don&#039;t have multiple grocery stores, I have to disagree. Look at Rockridge. On College Avenue alone, you&#039;ve got the Safeway at 51st and Broadway, right below the start of College, Market Hall, Trader Joes, Ver Brugge, Yasai Market, Safeway at College and Claremont, then Star Market a little further up the street on Claremont.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James H. Robinson &#8211; </p>
<p>The only announced Fresh &#038; Easy location in Oakland is at the Eastmont Mall, I think. So East Oakland will be getting another grocery store if F&#038;E opens, but they certainly could use more than one. East Oakland often gets neglected on this blog because I&#8217;m so focused on downtown and District 3 issues, and that&#8217;s something I really do need to work on. </p>
<p>Another Westoaklander &#8211; </p>
<p>Regarding your comment that other neighborhoods don&#8217;t have multiple grocery stores, I have to disagree. Look at Rockridge. On College Avenue alone, you&#8217;ve got the Safeway at 51st and Broadway, right below the start of College, Market Hall, Trader Joes, Ver Brugge, Yasai Market, Safeway at College and Claremont, then Star Market a little further up the street on Claremont.</p>
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		<title>By: James H. Robinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>James H. Robinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 23:43:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s an idea:  let&#039;s put Fresh &amp; Easy in Foothill Square Plaza.  Problem solved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s an idea:  let&#8217;s put Fresh &amp; Easy in Foothill Square Plaza.  Problem solved.</p>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
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		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 23:22:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another Westoaklander - 

The People&#039;s Grocery Mobile Market &lt;a href=&quot;http://peoplesgrocery.org/brahm/peoples-grocery/what-happened-to-the-mobile-market&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;stopped operating&lt;/a&gt; quite some time ago.

For more information about how West Oakland is severely underserved in terms of food access, I recommend reading the &lt;a href=&quot;http://oaklandfoodsystem.pbwiki.com/f/Oakland%20FSA_6.13.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Oakland Food System Assessment (PDF!)&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another Westoaklander &#8211; </p>
<p>The People&#8217;s Grocery Mobile Market <a href="http://peoplesgrocery.org/brahm/peoples-grocery/what-happened-to-the-mobile-market" rel="nofollow">stopped operating</a> quite some time ago.</p>
<p>For more information about how West Oakland is severely underserved in terms of food access, I recommend reading the <a href="http://oaklandfoodsystem.pbwiki.com/f/Oakland%20FSA_6.13.pdf" rel="nofollow">Oakland Food System Assessment (PDF!)</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Another Westoaklander</title>
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		<dc:creator>Another Westoaklander</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 22:57:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Max Allstadt
I have also lived in various spots in West Oakland for the past 15 years, and the last 10 of those in what you unfortunately refer to as &#039;the lower bottoms&#039; - which is properly named: Prescott.  That is, I think, where the problem starts: with people like us referring to our own neighborhoods in a disparaging way. Let me tell you the history: the cops came up with this name for Prescott when it was, in their opinion, the worst neighborhood around: i.e. after you hit bottom, you hit the LOWER bottom. As if that name was not bad enough, when the jail culture hit and people began to run around with their pants below their butts, someone thought that &#039;lower bottoms&#039; actually referred to THAT! It makes many of us who go to a gazillion meetings and try to improve this place cringe to hear neighbors refer to it this way. I understand that many simply don&#039;t know.
Now on to whether there is a serious food access problem in Prescott. We have the 99 cent store which I do not patronize, but everyone else does apparently.  All of my older neighbors L O V E the place and tell me frequently what kinds of food bargains they&#039;ve found.  There is the meat market on 12th street where many go shopping, and almost everyone from here goes to pak &#039;n save at least once/month to stock up. if you have a bike - its easy to ride over. everyone else drives or gets a ride from someone. Then there is the people&#039;s grocery which comes through at least 3 times a week with a van and stops throughout the neighborhood. they have fresh food and veggies. additionally, there is the community garden on 18th and Mandela, where food is sold on a sliding scale and given away if you can&#039;t afford it.  I am no friend of liquor stores and have fought many of them, but i had to stand corrected on the market on 12th/Peralta because they really do sell food according to my neighbors. Does it makes sense for a Fresh &amp; Easy to open 3 blocks away from the Mandela Foods Coop? I don&#039;t think so.  Are some people disadvantaged and have a hard time getting to the store? Absolutely. But the solution is not to put a store on every block! You don&#039;t have this in other residential neighborhoods and nobody is complaining. Why would you need it here??? Maybe the solution is to have a food/grocery delivery service that is affordable.
Regarding Sean - he is obviously a very bright guy, but I have also talked to him and while I believe that he will do due diligence and research, at some point every council member runs out of time because they have a lot going on. and at that point, he will begin listening to fewer people, and what I am not convinced of is that he KNOWS who&#039;s telling him the truth and, again, who&#039;s friend and who&#039;s foe! THAT comes with experience. I am not happy with Nadel either on many many issues, but she&#039;s a known quantity.  With Sullivan, I fear we have a developer poodle (pardon me, Mr. Blair).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Max Allstadt<br />
I have also lived in various spots in West Oakland for the past 15 years, and the last 10 of those in what you unfortunately refer to as &#8216;the lower bottoms&#8217; &#8211; which is properly named: Prescott.  That is, I think, where the problem starts: with people like us referring to our own neighborhoods in a disparaging way. Let me tell you the history: the cops came up with this name for Prescott when it was, in their opinion, the worst neighborhood around: i.e. after you hit bottom, you hit the LOWER bottom. As if that name was not bad enough, when the jail culture hit and people began to run around with their pants below their butts, someone thought that &#8216;lower bottoms&#8217; actually referred to THAT! It makes many of us who go to a gazillion meetings and try to improve this place cringe to hear neighbors refer to it this way. I understand that many simply don&#8217;t know.<br />
Now on to whether there is a serious food access problem in Prescott. We have the 99 cent store which I do not patronize, but everyone else does apparently.  All of my older neighbors L O V E the place and tell me frequently what kinds of food bargains they&#8217;ve found.  There is the meat market on 12th street where many go shopping, and almost everyone from here goes to pak &#8216;n save at least once/month to stock up. if you have a bike &#8211; its easy to ride over. everyone else drives or gets a ride from someone. Then there is the people&#8217;s grocery which comes through at least 3 times a week with a van and stops throughout the neighborhood. they have fresh food and veggies. additionally, there is the community garden on 18th and Mandela, where food is sold on a sliding scale and given away if you can&#8217;t afford it.  I am no friend of liquor stores and have fought many of them, but i had to stand corrected on the market on 12th/Peralta because they really do sell food according to my neighbors. Does it makes sense for a Fresh &amp; Easy to open 3 blocks away from the Mandela Foods Coop? I don&#8217;t think so.  Are some people disadvantaged and have a hard time getting to the store? Absolutely. But the solution is not to put a store on every block! You don&#8217;t have this in other residential neighborhoods and nobody is complaining. Why would you need it here??? Maybe the solution is to have a food/grocery delivery service that is affordable.<br />
Regarding Sean &#8211; he is obviously a very bright guy, but I have also talked to him and while I believe that he will do due diligence and research, at some point every council member runs out of time because they have a lot going on. and at that point, he will begin listening to fewer people, and what I am not convinced of is that he KNOWS who&#8217;s telling him the truth and, again, who&#8217;s friend and who&#8217;s foe! THAT comes with experience. I am not happy with Nadel either on many many issues, but she&#8217;s a known quantity.  With Sullivan, I fear we have a developer poodle (pardon me, Mr. Blair).</p>
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