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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/election-day/2008-06-03#comment-2112</link>
		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 21:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t it great? Listen to Brian, people! Everyone should watch this movie. If nothing else, you&#039;ll feel better about Oakland&#039;s government afterwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t it great? Listen to Brian, people! Everyone should watch this movie. If nothing else, you&#8217;ll feel better about Oakland&#8217;s government afterwards.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Williams</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/election-day/2008-06-03#comment-2111</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian Williams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 20:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>V, thanks for recommending &lt;i&gt;Street Fight&lt;/i&gt;. I rented it, and watched it this morning. You&#039;re absolutely right. It&#039;s awesome. Thanks, again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>V, thanks for recommending <i>Street Fight</i>. I rented it, and watched it this morning. You&#8217;re absolutely right. It&#8217;s awesome. Thanks, again.</p>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/election-day/2008-06-03#comment-2072</link>
		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:44:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I published a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.abetteroakland.com/sad-news-happy-news/2008-06-05&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;new post&lt;/a&gt; like 2 hours ago!

But if you, or anyone else, is interested in doing a guest piece, e-mail me about it.

Wait - do you mean you want a new post that&#039;s only about election results? I can do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I published a <a href="http://www.abetteroakland.com/sad-news-happy-news/2008-06-05" rel="nofollow">new post</a> like 2 hours ago!</p>
<p>But if you, or anyone else, is interested in doing a guest piece, e-mail me about it.</p>
<p>Wait &#8211; do you mean you want a new post that&#8217;s only about election results? I can do that.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/election-day/2008-06-03#comment-2071</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:39:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fingers crossed.  

He V!  We need a new thread here.  Or are you on vacation?  How about a guest piece?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fingers crossed.  </p>
<p>He V!  We need a new thread here.  Or are you on vacation?  How about a guest piece?</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Rieser</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/election-day/2008-06-03#comment-2070</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Rieser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Max - the last election the counting of the provisionals etc took over a week. Updates came in dibs and dabs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Max &#8211; the last election the counting of the provisionals etc took over a week. Updates came in dibs and dabs.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/election-day/2008-06-03#comment-2069</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 02:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Rebecca.  Funny, I was just sending an email to Andre Jones before I read this.

V is that the final tally? Lame turnout.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Rebecca.  Funny, I was just sending an email to Andre Jones before I read this.</p>
<p>V is that the final tally? Lame turnout.</p>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/election-day/2008-06-03#comment-2064</link>
		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:24:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ooh, thanks for reminding me of that one, Rebecca. It&#039;s from Max Weber&#039;s &lt;i&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ne.jp/asahi/moriyuki/abukuma/weber/lecture/politics_vocation.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Politics as a Vocation,&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/i&gt;. The whole concluding paragraph rocks:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Politics is a strong and slow boring of hard boards. It takes both passion and perspective. Certainly all historical experience confirms the truth --that man would not have attained the possible unless time and again he had reached out for the impossible. But to do that a man must be a leader, and not only a leader but a hero as well, in a very sober sense of the word. And even those who are neither leaders nor heroes must arm themselves with that steadfastness of heart which can brave even the crumbling of all hopes. This is necessary right now, or else men will not be able to attain even that which is possible today. Only he has the calling for politics who is sure that he shall not crumble when the world from his point of view is too stupid or too base for what he wants to offer. Only he who in the face of all this can say &#039;In spite of all!&#039; has the calling for politics.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ooh, thanks for reminding me of that one, Rebecca. It&#8217;s from Max Weber&#8217;s <i><a href="http://www.ne.jp/asahi/moriyuki/abukuma/weber/lecture/politics_vocation.html" rel="nofollow">Politics as a Vocation,</a></i>. The whole concluding paragraph rocks:</p>
<blockquote><p>Politics is a strong and slow boring of hard boards. It takes both passion and perspective. Certainly all historical experience confirms the truth &#8211;that man would not have attained the possible unless time and again he had reached out for the impossible. But to do that a man must be a leader, and not only a leader but a hero as well, in a very sober sense of the word. And even those who are neither leaders nor heroes must arm themselves with that steadfastness of heart which can brave even the crumbling of all hopes. This is necessary right now, or else men will not be able to attain even that which is possible today. Only he has the calling for politics who is sure that he shall not crumble when the world from his point of view is too stupid or too base for what he wants to offer. Only he who in the face of all this can say &#8216;In spite of all!&#8217; has the calling for politics.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Rebecca Kaplan</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/election-day/2008-06-03#comment-2063</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca Kaplan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 01:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>New election update has been posted by Alameda County.

They have counted thousands of additional votes, and posted revised totals.

http://www.acgov.org/rov/current_election/index.htm

By the way, I was trying to remember who said, &quot;Democracy is the slow boring through thick boards....&quot; -- - does anybody know who this was?

Change is possible.  And takes time.  Please, do not give up.

And, for Sean (And SS supporters): I know, and I hope, that your participation in Oakland&#039;s future is not ending -- this is only the beginning .... (Barack Obama lost his first campaign for Congress, Harvey Milk lost his first campaign for Supervisor).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>New election update has been posted by Alameda County.</p>
<p>They have counted thousands of additional votes, and posted revised totals.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.acgov.org/rov/current_election/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.acgov.org/rov/current_election/index.htm</a></p>
<p>By the way, I was trying to remember who said, &#8220;Democracy is the slow boring through thick boards&#8230;.&#8221; &#8212; &#8211; does anybody know who this was?</p>
<p>Change is possible.  And takes time.  Please, do not give up.</p>
<p>And, for Sean (And SS supporters): I know, and I hope, that your participation in Oakland&#8217;s future is not ending &#8212; this is only the beginning &#8230;. (Barack Obama lost his first campaign for Congress, Harvey Milk lost his first campaign for Supervisor).</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Kidd</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/election-day/2008-06-03#comment-1989</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Kidd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:21:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I, for one, care what happened.  And history is definitely NOT what people thought happened.  Sure, it started that way, but it becomes more and more the further you get from the event.  If we don&#039;t learn from our mistakes, we&#039;re doomed to repeat them.  And if the mistakes of the past are set down in a way different than they happened, it&#039;s that much harder to avoid them in the future.  

I do concede the point of understanding what people thought of their own history in different time periods.  It can give insights into the motivations of individuals and the trends of society.  But you have to keep separated the perceived history of some and the actual history that happened in the real world.  It&#039;d be like people taking Ceasar&#039;s claimed virgin birth at face value.  Okay, so people in the Empire believed it.  Are you going to?  You need to uncover the real reasons, events, facts and actions to truly gain the benefit history has to offer to present day.

That said, Herodotus can rock an awesome tale.  (history nerd throwdown is teh awesome)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I, for one, care what happened.  And history is definitely NOT what people thought happened.  Sure, it started that way, but it becomes more and more the further you get from the event.  If we don&#8217;t learn from our mistakes, we&#8217;re doomed to repeat them.  And if the mistakes of the past are set down in a way different than they happened, it&#8217;s that much harder to avoid them in the future.  </p>
<p>I do concede the point of understanding what people thought of their own history in different time periods.  It can give insights into the motivations of individuals and the trends of society.  But you have to keep separated the perceived history of some and the actual history that happened in the real world.  It&#8217;d be like people taking Ceasar&#8217;s claimed virgin birth at face value.  Okay, so people in the Empire believed it.  Are you going to?  You need to uncover the real reasons, events, facts and actions to truly gain the benefit history has to offer to present day.</p>
<p>That said, Herodotus can rock an awesome tale.  (history nerd throwdown is teh awesome)</p>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/election-day/2008-06-03#comment-1983</link>
		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:28:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herodotus &lt;i&gt;invented&lt;/i&gt; history! Particularly with respect to the Classical world, I&#039;ve never really been able to understand why people get so attached to the idea of things being &quot;accurate.&quot; Who cares what happened? History is whatever people &lt;i&gt;thought&lt;/i&gt; happened. Efforts to tease out what&#039;s true and what isn&#039;t are only worthwhile as a foundation for exploration of why a people may have selected to collectively adopt a narrative at odds with the reality. Who cares if Xerxes cried for his soldiers or if lionesses bear multiple offspring or not? If his contemporary readers believed it, that&#039;s all that matters for our inquiry.

But seriously. That man could tell a story like nobody&#039;s business. I get goosebumps just thinking about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herodotus <i>invented</i> history! Particularly with respect to the Classical world, I&#8217;ve never really been able to understand why people get so attached to the idea of things being &#8220;accurate.&#8221; Who cares what happened? History is whatever people <i>thought</i> happened. Efforts to tease out what&#8217;s true and what isn&#8217;t are only worthwhile as a foundation for exploration of why a people may have selected to collectively adopt a narrative at odds with the reality. Who cares if Xerxes cried for his soldiers or if lionesses bear multiple offspring or not? If his contemporary readers believed it, that&#8217;s all that matters for our inquiry.</p>
<p>But seriously. That man could tell a story like nobody&#8217;s business. I get goosebumps just thinking about it.</p>
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