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		<title>By: Nancy Rieser</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/earthquakes-are-scary/2008-09-23#comment-8082</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Rieser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Sep 2008 02:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fireboats were critical to fiire fighters during the aftermath of the World Trade Center attack.  When those massive buildings collapsed, so did the firefighting water delivery system underneath and around the destroyed buildings.

When the City closed down the fireboat house at the port, the fireflighters put up a good fight but City Council couldn&#039;t have cared less.  It still doesn&#039;t.  

It&#039;s sheer lunacy that Oakland used 2 million bucks from the DD bond measure to add more fire hydrants around Fairyland because Fairyland built a puppet theater and an outdoor seating area udneath a shade trellis, both just a stone&#039;s throw from the largest fire hydrant in Oakland -- Lake Merritt.  

When the big one hits, you bet there will be fires.  The water delivery infrastructure will be dangerously compromised.  Afterwards,  the folks at City Hall will beat their chests, post mortem, bemoaning the fact that the City didn&#039;t have a fireboat, alas.

Ah, but it will have the best protected puppet theater this side of the Mississippi.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fireboats were critical to fiire fighters during the aftermath of the World Trade Center attack.  When those massive buildings collapsed, so did the firefighting water delivery system underneath and around the destroyed buildings.</p>
<p>When the City closed down the fireboat house at the port, the fireflighters put up a good fight but City Council couldn&#8217;t have cared less.  It still doesn&#8217;t.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s sheer lunacy that Oakland used 2 million bucks from the DD bond measure to add more fire hydrants around Fairyland because Fairyland built a puppet theater and an outdoor seating area udneath a shade trellis, both just a stone&#8217;s throw from the largest fire hydrant in Oakland &#8212; Lake Merritt.  </p>
<p>When the big one hits, you bet there will be fires.  The water delivery infrastructure will be dangerously compromised.  Afterwards,  the folks at City Hall will beat their chests, post mortem, bemoaning the fact that the City didn&#8217;t have a fireboat, alas.</p>
<p>Ah, but it will have the best protected puppet theater this side of the Mississippi.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/earthquakes-are-scary/2008-09-23#comment-7898</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, firefighter, I didn&#039;t realize you meant the 1989 quake, and there&#039;s another good fireboat story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, firefighter, I didn&#8217;t realize you meant the 1989 quake, and there&#8217;s another good fireboat story.</p>
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		<title>By: ConcernedOakFF</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/earthquakes-are-scary/2008-09-23#comment-7897</link>
		<dc:creator>ConcernedOakFF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 16:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>San Francisco was saved in 1989 by the Phoenix, the SFFD Fireboat.  Chief Hayes-White speaks in depth in the History Channel special about why, even though it is expensive and seldom used, they MUST have a fully staffed fireboat in San Francisco.

In 1989 the SFFD Boat pumped for almost 2 days without stop, as it took the place of the entire water grid, which was severed due to the liquefaction of the Marina District.

CORE is a good thing.  However, it is made up of civilians with about 25-30 hours of training, many of which will not be able to physically help their neighbors. 

You MUST keep 3 days worth of food and water. That is the best disaster planning you can do.

We must get the funding, and more importantly, the SUPPORT of the city in order to be at the HIGHEST level of preparation.  Not just for earthquakes, but for every situation, from day to day operations, to Hazardous Materials spills, to hill fires to terrorist attacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>San Francisco was saved in 1989 by the Phoenix, the SFFD Fireboat.  Chief Hayes-White speaks in depth in the History Channel special about why, even though it is expensive and seldom used, they MUST have a fully staffed fireboat in San Francisco.</p>
<p>In 1989 the SFFD Boat pumped for almost 2 days without stop, as it took the place of the entire water grid, which was severed due to the liquefaction of the Marina District.</p>
<p>CORE is a good thing.  However, it is made up of civilians with about 25-30 hours of training, many of which will not be able to physically help their neighbors. </p>
<p>You MUST keep 3 days worth of food and water. That is the best disaster planning you can do.</p>
<p>We must get the funding, and more importantly, the SUPPORT of the city in order to be at the HIGHEST level of preparation.  Not just for earthquakes, but for every situation, from day to day operations, to Hazardous Materials spills, to hill fires to terrorist attacks.</p>
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		<title>By: Moschops</title>
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		<dc:creator>Moschops</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 07:30:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is scarey that so few people seem to realize the 1989 quake so a long way away from the Bay Area and yet still managed to do so much damage.  There&#039;s a real complacency in my neighborhood where 880 collapsed of &quot;well we survived the &#039;89 quake and that was 6.9 so we&#039;ll be fine&quot; but ask those people to point to Loma Prieta on the map and few have any idea that it is something like 60 miles away.  Imagine if that quake was right here in Oakland - ask people from Santa Cruz about Loma Prieta quake and you&#039;ll get an all together different story.  Never mind if it was a &gt; 7.0 magnitude quake which is highly probably.

Our building was given a retrofit quote and basically the seismic engineers said all they could do was &quot;provide life saving at 6.0 magnitude or below&quot; so the building may be written off but hopefully people walk away.  Having people walk away with their lives is important of course - when it comes down to it that&#039;s what is most importnat to me.  But a 6.9 quake is almost 10 times as powerful as 6.0 and a 6.9 quake centered right here in Oakland is an altogether different matter from 6.9 at over 60 miles away.  Really I don&#039;t want to be here for a 6.9 or even 6.0 on one of our local fault lines - it is going to be a huge mess and hundreds if not thousands of people will die for sure.

I just attended a townhall discussing city sponsured deployment of broadband wireless within Oakland - I was the only one to suggest it might be a benefit to provide Oakland residents with information during or after such an emergency.  This would be a real opportunity to deploy a fault tolerant (no pun intended) source of information - I hope someone can follow through with that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is scarey that so few people seem to realize the 1989 quake so a long way away from the Bay Area and yet still managed to do so much damage.  There&#8217;s a real complacency in my neighborhood where 880 collapsed of &#8220;well we survived the &#8217;89 quake and that was 6.9 so we&#8217;ll be fine&#8221; but ask those people to point to Loma Prieta on the map and few have any idea that it is something like 60 miles away.  Imagine if that quake was right here in Oakland &#8211; ask people from Santa Cruz about Loma Prieta quake and you&#8217;ll get an all together different story.  Never mind if it was a &gt; 7.0 magnitude quake which is highly probably.</p>
<p>Our building was given a retrofit quote and basically the seismic engineers said all they could do was &#8220;provide life saving at 6.0 magnitude or below&#8221; so the building may be written off but hopefully people walk away.  Having people walk away with their lives is important of course &#8211; when it comes down to it that&#8217;s what is most importnat to me.  But a 6.9 quake is almost 10 times as powerful as 6.0 and a 6.9 quake centered right here in Oakland is an altogether different matter from 6.9 at over 60 miles away.  Really I don&#8217;t want to be here for a 6.9 or even 6.0 on one of our local fault lines &#8211; it is going to be a huge mess and hundreds if not thousands of people will die for sure.</p>
<p>I just attended a townhall discussing city sponsured deployment of broadband wireless within Oakland &#8211; I was the only one to suggest it might be a benefit to provide Oakland residents with information during or after such an emergency.  This would be a real opportunity to deploy a fault tolerant (no pun intended) source of information &#8211; I hope someone can follow through with that!</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s true . . . a Navy fireboat came down from Mare Island in 1906 and its lieutenant led his crew for 70 hours straight to save the wharves. The waterfront was the only way to reach the city and do business. Between the wharves and the gold in the Mint, San Francisco was well equipped for its rapid recovery.

An Oakland fireboat would be a very good thing.

I was up in the hills this morning, on Woodrow Drive to be exact, and a fire truck had to labor up there to tend to a residential alarm. It was tinder-dry, and dirt mixed with eucalyptus leaves was trickling onto the road. The hills give me the creeps; if they&#039;re dry they&#039;re ready to burn and if they&#039;re wet they&#039;re ready to slop down in mudslides. Pick your tragedy, because a major earthquake would set off both fires and slides up there and the roads would be blocked.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true . . . a Navy fireboat came down from Mare Island in 1906 and its lieutenant led his crew for 70 hours straight to save the wharves. The waterfront was the only way to reach the city and do business. Between the wharves and the gold in the Mint, San Francisco was well equipped for its rapid recovery.</p>
<p>An Oakland fireboat would be a very good thing.</p>
<p>I was up in the hills this morning, on Woodrow Drive to be exact, and a fire truck had to labor up there to tend to a residential alarm. It was tinder-dry, and dirt mixed with eucalyptus leaves was trickling onto the road. The hills give me the creeps; if they&#8217;re dry they&#8217;re ready to burn and if they&#8217;re wet they&#8217;re ready to slop down in mudslides. Pick your tragedy, because a major earthquake would set off both fires and slides up there and the roads would be blocked.</p>
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		<title>By: ConcernedOakFF</title>
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		<dc:creator>ConcernedOakFF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 03:04:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me tell you as an Oakland Firefighter that we are in no way prepared for any major disaster, let alone a earthquake.  For example, since we DO NOT have a Fireboat, during a major earthquake there is absolutely no way to supply water to the city if the water mains rupture, which in all likelihood WILL happen in an earthquake of any magnitude. 

 The only thing that saved San Francisco&#039;s Marina District and other areas was the water from their Fireboat.  You can see independent proof of this in the History Channel look at what would happen if a 1906 earthquake happened here now.

The reality is..the public at large does not really want to hear this..but there really is no way for a local government to TRULY prepare for a major disaster.

What we do have going for us are dedicated Firefighters that will do their best when the &quot;big one&quot; happens.

We need the Fireboat back, staffed and ready to protect all of us.  We need a city Government that supports the efforts of the Fire Department to prepare itself for these disasters.

What people also may not realize, is that the Police Department gets the lions share of the funds.  The FD gets the scraps....

If anyone has questions they can reach me at concernedoakff@hotmail.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me tell you as an Oakland Firefighter that we are in no way prepared for any major disaster, let alone a earthquake.  For example, since we DO NOT have a Fireboat, during a major earthquake there is absolutely no way to supply water to the city if the water mains rupture, which in all likelihood WILL happen in an earthquake of any magnitude. </p>
<p> The only thing that saved San Francisco&#8217;s Marina District and other areas was the water from their Fireboat.  You can see independent proof of this in the History Channel look at what would happen if a 1906 earthquake happened here now.</p>
<p>The reality is..the public at large does not really want to hear this..but there really is no way for a local government to TRULY prepare for a major disaster.</p>
<p>What we do have going for us are dedicated Firefighters that will do their best when the &#8220;big one&#8221; happens.</p>
<p>We need the Fireboat back, staffed and ready to protect all of us.  We need a city Government that supports the efforts of the Fire Department to prepare itself for these disasters.</p>
<p>What people also may not realize, is that the Police Department gets the lions share of the funds.  The FD gets the scraps&#8230;.</p>
<p>If anyone has questions they can reach me at <a href="mailto:concernedoakff@hotmail.com">concernedoakff@hotmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Allan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The City of Oakland paid big bucks for a disaster plan a few years ago.  Try to find it.  I tried.  First I looked on line.  Then I contacted my Councilperson&#039;s office.  I was told - It&#039;s on line.  Where?  Oh well maybe not.  Then with some help from Councilperson, I got a call from the person in charge.  I could take a look at the mystery document.  It was at our disaster center.  I showed up at the appointed time - got a run around - finally saw the one copy - for about 15 minutes.  Never could get another reply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The City of Oakland paid big bucks for a disaster plan a few years ago.  Try to find it.  I tried.  First I looked on line.  Then I contacted my Councilperson&#8217;s office.  I was told &#8211; It&#8217;s on line.  Where?  Oh well maybe not.  Then with some help from Councilperson, I got a call from the person in charge.  I could take a look at the mystery document.  It was at our disaster center.  I showed up at the appointed time &#8211; got a run around &#8211; finally saw the one copy &#8211; for about 15 minutes.  Never could get another reply.</p>
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		<title>By: annoyed</title>
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		<dc:creator>annoyed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:30:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://earthquake.usgs.gov/regional/nca/1868/

It was actually 6.8-7.0.   A 7.0 quake 50 miles away is not the same as a 7.0 quake a mile or two from your back yard.</description>
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<p>It was actually 6.8-7.0.   A 7.0 quake 50 miles away is not the same as a 7.0 quake a mile or two from your back yard.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kent, I lived in Japan for 8 years and went to elementary and high school there.  Even ex-pat schools have aggressive earthquake preparedness drills.  It&#039;s just routine.  

Part of this is because the Japanese on a cultural level have an almost para-military sense of unity.  But there&#039;s another interesting difference between the SFbay and the Kanto Plain:  In Tokyo, the earthquakes are more frequent, and the little ones are stronger.  I remember feeling a significant tremmors about once a semester when I was in school there.  I&#039;ve been in Oakland for 5 years and it&#039;s nowhere near as frequent.

Their preparedness is truly impressive though.  So are their public-private partnerships.  My dad was running Mobil Oil Japan during the Kobe quake in &#039;95, and it was just a given that he retasked refinery based helicopters to help out civil defense teams.  I&#039;ll bet that if we had a quake like Kobe&#039;s on the Hayward fault, our lack of organization would kill twice as many people in a metroplex half the size of Kobe-Osaka.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kent, I lived in Japan for 8 years and went to elementary and high school there.  Even ex-pat schools have aggressive earthquake preparedness drills.  It&#8217;s just routine.  </p>
<p>Part of this is because the Japanese on a cultural level have an almost para-military sense of unity.  But there&#8217;s another interesting difference between the SFbay and the Kanto Plain:  In Tokyo, the earthquakes are more frequent, and the little ones are stronger.  I remember feeling a significant tremmors about once a semester when I was in school there.  I&#8217;ve been in Oakland for 5 years and it&#8217;s nowhere near as frequent.</p>
<p>Their preparedness is truly impressive though.  So are their public-private partnerships.  My dad was running Mobil Oil Japan during the Kobe quake in &#8217;95, and it was just a given that he retasked refinery based helicopters to help out civil defense teams.  I&#8217;ll bet that if we had a quake like Kobe&#8217;s on the Hayward fault, our lack of organization would kill twice as many people in a metroplex half the size of Kobe-Osaka.</p>
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		<title>By: V Smoothe</title>
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		<dc:creator>V Smoothe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2008 00:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People are welcome to debate the realities of earthquake dangers and the state of Oakland&#039;s disaster preparedness, but please, give &lt;a href=&quot;http://futureoakland.wordpress.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;dto510&lt;/a&gt; a break. I thought it was clear from the post that this was a fairly lighthearted conversation. The argument was about what&#039;s scary, not what&#039;s real, and I wouldn&#039;t have posted the discussion if I didn&#039;t honestly think I was the one who came off looking worse and more irrational.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are welcome to debate the realities of earthquake dangers and the state of Oakland&#8217;s disaster preparedness, but please, give <a href="http://futureoakland.wordpress.com" rel="nofollow">dto510</a> a break. I thought it was clear from the post that this was a fairly lighthearted conversation. The argument was about what&#8217;s scary, not what&#8217;s real, and I wouldn&#8217;t have posted the discussion if I didn&#8217;t honestly think I was the one who came off looking worse and more irrational.</p>
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