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		<title>By: Joanna/OnTheGoJo</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/diy-pedestrian-safety/2008-05-27#comment-2568</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanna/OnTheGoJo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 03:46:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dagnabbit!!!!  (#&amp;(%&amp;#$*$!)@)%R@#)  The City managed to paint over the gorilla crosswalk.  How many hours and what was the cost of the paint?  Rediculous!

Especially when you consider that there is a very similar situation at Frisbie &amp; Harrison.  Why is it okay there and not at 15th &amp; Jackson?

Since this subject was last discussed, a stop sign was apparently approved at 4th &amp; Webster.  But all efforts to get a stop sign at 4th &amp; Alice and 3rd &amp; Madison were dropped.  Now we have to start over on efforts to get those other intersections stop signs.  THIS is why I asked a newbie local resident to work with JLDA and not on their own.  Because two other stop signs that are just as important - and had the proper petition signatures from all parties residing and working at those other intersections - got dropped.  Frustrating!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dagnabbit!!!!  (#&amp;(%&amp;#$*$!)@)%R@#)  The City managed to paint over the gorilla crosswalk.  How many hours and what was the cost of the paint?  Rediculous!</p>
<p>Especially when you consider that there is a very similar situation at Frisbie &amp; Harrison.  Why is it okay there and not at 15th &amp; Jackson?</p>
<p>Since this subject was last discussed, a stop sign was apparently approved at 4th &amp; Webster.  But all efforts to get a stop sign at 4th &amp; Alice and 3rd &amp; Madison were dropped.  Now we have to start over on efforts to get those other intersections stop signs.  THIS is why I asked a newbie local resident to work with JLDA and not on their own.  Because two other stop signs that are just as important &#8211; and had the proper petition signatures from all parties residing and working at those other intersections &#8211; got dropped.  Frustrating!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Robert</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/diy-pedestrian-safety/2008-05-27#comment-1852</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 23:24:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bikerider,

Actually the conclusion of the report cited is that either bike lanes or wide curb lanes can be used, and the authors drew no conclusions regarding relative safety, In fact, they admitted that there were too few accidents to make any conclusions about safety. You should also read the critique by John Forester which concluded the the study was too small and poorly designed to say much of anything. It seems the only thing you can really say is that bike riders like bike lanes, even if they don’t have any impact on actual safety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bikerider,</p>
<p>Actually the conclusion of the report cited is that either bike lanes or wide curb lanes can be used, and the authors drew no conclusions regarding relative safety, In fact, they admitted that there were too few accidents to make any conclusions about safety. You should also read the critique by John Forester which concluded the the study was too small and poorly designed to say much of anything. It seems the only thing you can really say is that bike riders like bike lanes, even if they don’t have any impact on actual safety.</p>
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		<title>By: bikerider</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/diy-pedestrian-safety/2008-05-27#comment-1848</link>
		<dc:creator>bikerider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 21:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With regard to the issue of wide outside lanes vs bike lanes, this is something that has been studied to death. The definitive study (A COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS OF BICYCLE LANES VERSUS
WIDE CURB LANES: FINAL REPORT, FHWA-RD-99-034) concluded bike lanes were superior from every standpoint. The bicycle coalition has also done its own studies of arterials (SWITR data) with wide outside lanes and found they ranked at the top in terms of bike crashes per mile.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With regard to the issue of wide outside lanes vs bike lanes, this is something that has been studied to death. The definitive study (A COMPARATIVE ANALYSIS OF BICYCLE LANES VERSUS<br />
WIDE CURB LANES: FINAL REPORT, FHWA-RD-99-034) concluded bike lanes were superior from every standpoint. The bicycle coalition has also done its own studies of arterials (SWITR data) with wide outside lanes and found they ranked at the top in terms of bike crashes per mile.</p>
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		<title>By: oaklandhappenings</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/diy-pedestrian-safety/2008-05-27#comment-1839</link>
		<dc:creator>oaklandhappenings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 18:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t want to sound drift too far towards the election topic, but those of you who are voting, remember--Hodge or Sullivan!  Then again, many of you seem to already have enough sense to realize that.  Tell your D3 buds!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t want to sound drift too far towards the election topic, but those of you who are voting, remember&#8211;Hodge or Sullivan!  Then again, many of you seem to already have enough sense to realize that.  Tell your D3 buds!</p>
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		<title>By: Joanna/OnTheGoJo</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/diy-pedestrian-safety/2008-05-27#comment-1836</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanna/OnTheGoJo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 16:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AC - Argh, isn&#039;t that exactly why we&#039;re not voting for NN?  That email says it all.  Well, everything she didn&#039;t say at the JLDA District 3 Candidate Forum - &quot;it&#039;s about race&quot; my arse.  It&#039;s about her own neighborhood.  Sort of.  I still find it hard to understand why Adams Point is behind her, if indeed they are.

Ralph - 3rd between Oak &amp; Jackson (specifically at Madison in front of the Sierra Deli) is awful, but in some ways 4th between Jackson and Broadway is even worse (specifically at Alice where it&#039;s hard to see around cars).

So NN didn&#039;t stay on top of this?  Shocker.  Now she says she will?  Don&#039;t hold your breath.  I&#039;ve never figured out Joe Wang.  He seems to be the biggest barrier for new business, specifically small business, in Oakland.  Right up there tied with Francine Lakryth Thompson (parking).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AC &#8211; Argh, isn&#8217;t that exactly why we&#8217;re not voting for NN?  That email says it all.  Well, everything she didn&#8217;t say at the JLDA District 3 Candidate Forum &#8211; &#8220;it&#8217;s about race&#8221; my arse.  It&#8217;s about her own neighborhood.  Sort of.  I still find it hard to understand why Adams Point is behind her, if indeed they are.</p>
<p>Ralph &#8211; 3rd between Oak &amp; Jackson (specifically at Madison in front of the Sierra Deli) is awful, but in some ways 4th between Jackson and Broadway is even worse (specifically at Alice where it&#8217;s hard to see around cars).</p>
<p>So NN didn&#8217;t stay on top of this?  Shocker.  Now she says she will?  Don&#8217;t hold your breath.  I&#8217;ve never figured out Joe Wang.  He seems to be the biggest barrier for new business, specifically small business, in Oakland.  Right up there tied with Francine Lakryth Thompson (parking).</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/diy-pedestrian-safety/2008-05-27#comment-1833</link>
		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 15:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, Zach!

I thought that was you flying through the air with your &quot;jazz hands&quot;!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, Zach!</p>
<p>I thought that was you flying through the air with your &#8220;jazz hands&#8221;!</p>
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		<title>By: oaklandhappenings</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/diy-pedestrian-safety/2008-05-27#comment-1832</link>
		<dc:creator>oaklandhappenings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 14:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is typical Nancy Nadel ignorance and apathy.  Any city council member who actually cared (and didn&#039;t fake it) would have been at least more attentive to the issue.  The rest of the council may be to blame too, but this IS her district, theoretically.
Maybe just 6 more days until Sean S. as our new city council member?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is typical Nancy Nadel ignorance and apathy.  Any city council member who actually cared (and didn&#8217;t fake it) would have been at least more attentive to the issue.  The rest of the council may be to blame too, but this IS her district, theoretically.<br />
Maybe just 6 more days until Sean S. as our new city council member?</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Seal</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/diy-pedestrian-safety/2008-05-27#comment-1831</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach Seal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 08:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks everybody for the comments.  I tried getting this crosswalk painted by the city by collecting signatures and making a formal request to PW.  Ummm... that didn&#039;t get me anywhere.  I didn&#039;t push it too hard b/c I figured there were other more pressing issues PW should be dealing with.  But I still don&#039;t think this is an inappropriate location for some sort of pedestrian safety feature, be it a crosswalk, embedded lights, an imaginary brick wall, or the pedestrian crossing feature of the next decade, a device beneath the asphalt that disengages automobile engines 30 feet from a pedestrian crossing if a pedestrian presses a button.  The 300 or so feet between 15th and 17th is like a bobsled course for cars; it’s not evident to cars heading south that 15th street is actually an intersection until they’re zooming past it.

Anyway, I’m delighted that fellow neighborhood activists decided to take matters into their own hands.

Question: do you think it would be a good idea to send an email to PW and NN that says something along these lines:  While I don’t condone vigilante crosswalk painters (even though I sort of do, but just to be diplomatic), the willingness of ordinary citizens to sacrifice their own money and risk jail time to install this crosswalk underscores the danger at this intersection.  I would hope that PW can understand this need, and install a proper crosswalk with the accompanying ADA accessible ramps so that able-bodied, young and disabled residents can all safely cross at this intersection.  

Or, should we just leave good enough alone and not bring to PW’s attention this guerilla crosswalk?  I had originally envisioned the crosswalk on the other side – the south side – of the Jackson/15th street intersection. That’s why I staged to pedestrian/car accident on the south side of the intersection.  I’m interested to hear your thoughts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks everybody for the comments.  I tried getting this crosswalk painted by the city by collecting signatures and making a formal request to PW.  Ummm&#8230; that didn&#8217;t get me anywhere.  I didn&#8217;t push it too hard b/c I figured there were other more pressing issues PW should be dealing with.  But I still don&#8217;t think this is an inappropriate location for some sort of pedestrian safety feature, be it a crosswalk, embedded lights, an imaginary brick wall, or the pedestrian crossing feature of the next decade, a device beneath the asphalt that disengages automobile engines 30 feet from a pedestrian crossing if a pedestrian presses a button.  The 300 or so feet between 15th and 17th is like a bobsled course for cars; it’s not evident to cars heading south that 15th street is actually an intersection until they’re zooming past it.</p>
<p>Anyway, I’m delighted that fellow neighborhood activists decided to take matters into their own hands.</p>
<p>Question: do you think it would be a good idea to send an email to PW and NN that says something along these lines:  While I don’t condone vigilante crosswalk painters (even though I sort of do, but just to be diplomatic), the willingness of ordinary citizens to sacrifice their own money and risk jail time to install this crosswalk underscores the danger at this intersection.  I would hope that PW can understand this need, and install a proper crosswalk with the accompanying ADA accessible ramps so that able-bodied, young and disabled residents can all safely cross at this intersection.  </p>
<p>Or, should we just leave good enough alone and not bring to PW’s attention this guerilla crosswalk?  I had originally envisioned the crosswalk on the other side – the south side – of the Jackson/15th street intersection. That’s why I staged to pedestrian/car accident on the south side of the intersection.  I’m interested to hear your thoughts.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 05:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ralph -

Cyclists are not too reckless on the sidewalk.  I wreck things all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ralph -</p>
<p>Cyclists are not too reckless on the sidewalk.  I wreck things all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ralph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 05:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe joe wang should be spend a late night on third bw oak and jackson 

it has been a while since i spent regular time there, but that strip of road is just long enough to see how fast an idiot can drive before applying the brakes at the last minute and still safely stopping at jackson</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe joe wang should be spend a late night on third bw oak and jackson </p>
<p>it has been a while since i spent regular time there, but that strip of road is just long enough to see how fast an idiot can drive before applying the brakes at the last minute and still safely stopping at jackson</p>
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