<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: Big dam vote today at East Bay MUD</title>
	<atom:link href="http://www.abetteroakland.com/big-dam-vote-today-at-east-bay-mud/2009-10-13/feed" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/big-dam-vote-today-at-east-bay-mud/2009-10-13</link>
	<description>The Continuing Story of a City</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 10 Sep 2010 01:02:50 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
		<item>
		<title>By: Joe Teixeira</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/big-dam-vote-today-at-east-bay-mud/2009-10-13/comment-page-1#comment-244280</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Teixeira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2010 07:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.abetteroakland.com/?p=3755#comment-244280</guid>
		<description>I am very happy to buy a water ang enaegi saver wash machine</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am very happy to buy a water ang enaegi saver wash machine</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: len raphael</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/big-dam-vote-today-at-east-bay-mud/2009-10-13/comment-page-1#comment-241971</link>
		<dc:creator>len raphael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 21:26:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.abetteroakland.com/?p=3755#comment-241971</guid>
		<description>P, my lawin is approx 3x6 feet of dwarf fescue that is kept fairly high.

no, my high usage is a combo of attempting to encourage high growth and deep roots for  9 trees that are about 2 years old, but also many more laundry runs for work uniforms and office uniforms and workout uniforms. 

by &quot;relatively shallow water table&quot; do you mean the water table is close to the surface or that the aquafier only extends down a short distance. in my section, when i drilled three weeks ago, the first 6 feet (and this was close to the over watered trees) was dry dirt,  the next 9 feet was damp clay. then hit hard yellow sandstone.

wouldn&#039;t tree roots have difficulty getting thru clay, no matter how damp?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P, my lawin is approx 3&#215;6 feet of dwarf fescue that is kept fairly high.</p>
<p>no, my high usage is a combo of attempting to encourage high growth and deep roots for  9 trees that are about 2 years old, but also many more laundry runs for work uniforms and office uniforms and workout uniforms. </p>
<p>by &#8220;relatively shallow water table&#8221; do you mean the water table is close to the surface or that the aquafier only extends down a short distance. in my section, when i drilled three weeks ago, the first 6 feet (and this was close to the over watered trees) was dry dirt,  the next 9 feet was damp clay. then hit hard yellow sandstone.</p>
<p>wouldn&#8217;t tree roots have difficulty getting thru clay, no matter how damp?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/big-dam-vote-today-at-east-bay-mud/2009-10-13/comment-page-1#comment-241967</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.abetteroakland.com/?p=3755#comment-241967</guid>
		<description>If water were priced at what it is actually worth, we&#039;d use a heck of a lot less of it.  Of course, the same could be said of gasoline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If water were priced at what it is actually worth, we&#8217;d use a heck of a lot less of it.  Of course, the same could be said of gasoline.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Mike d'Ocla</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/big-dam-vote-today-at-east-bay-mud/2009-10-13/comment-page-1#comment-241966</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike d'Ocla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 20:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.abetteroakland.com/?p=3755#comment-241966</guid>
		<description>I&#039;m not nearly as frugal as Patrick, but I know very well from personal experience as well as from reading that the amount of additional water available from conservation is enormous. As with electricity and gasoline, very simple changes in behavior and a little mindfulness, along with some technology improvements, could bring about a great reduction in our consumption of resources. 

And Patrick is so right about the amazing water-holding power of our clay soils. I have several plants in my garden which grew faster the less water I gave them. My citrus trees do very well without water almost all summer long.

By simply paying some attention to how I was using water: in my garden, taking showers, washing dishes by hand, etc., I was able recently to reduce my consumption by 40%. And this is without the use of energy-efficient applicances or toilet or shower or doing any sort of careful planning about watering my plants.

My guess is that water use in the state as a whole quite feasibly could be reduced by 50%. Including agriculture. That means without economic or quality-of-life sacrifice. Unfortunately because Californians generally are so averse to lifestyle changes, or heaven-forbid, the notion of being denied anything, our planning agencies set very limited resource conservation goals, like 15% for water (I think this was EBMUD&#039;s conservation goal for this year before conservation plans were dropped in light of the late rains last spring).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not nearly as frugal as Patrick, but I know very well from personal experience as well as from reading that the amount of additional water available from conservation is enormous. As with electricity and gasoline, very simple changes in behavior and a little mindfulness, along with some technology improvements, could bring about a great reduction in our consumption of resources. </p>
<p>And Patrick is so right about the amazing water-holding power of our clay soils. I have several plants in my garden which grew faster the less water I gave them. My citrus trees do very well without water almost all summer long.</p>
<p>By simply paying some attention to how I was using water: in my garden, taking showers, washing dishes by hand, etc., I was able recently to reduce my consumption by 40%. And this is without the use of energy-efficient applicances or toilet or shower or doing any sort of careful planning about watering my plants.</p>
<p>My guess is that water use in the state as a whole quite feasibly could be reduced by 50%. Including agriculture. That means without economic or quality-of-life sacrifice. Unfortunately because Californians generally are so averse to lifestyle changes, or heaven-forbid, the notion of being denied anything, our planning agencies set very limited resource conservation goals, like 15% for water (I think this was EBMUD&#8217;s conservation goal for this year before conservation plans were dropped in light of the late rains last spring).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/big-dam-vote-today-at-east-bay-mud/2009-10-13/comment-page-1#comment-241959</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.abetteroakland.com/?p=3755#comment-241959</guid>
		<description>Trees are planted strictly in late fall.  Root growth during  the rainy months support much dry season, above-ground growth.  In our clay soils, one solid winter growing season can produce a root system that will provide for all summer water needs (except for brief periods during exceptionally hot or windy weather).  Contrary to popular belief, we have a relatively shallow water table.

I also must admit that my plants are the glad recipients of occasional liquid gold.  Diluted!  OK, so maybe I use more &quot;greywater&quot; than I thought.

len, may I assume you shepherd a large, resource-intensive and bio-incompatible monoculture (otherwise known as a lawn)?  While I&#039;m on my soapbox, let me just mention that in just 60 square feet, you can easily provide the entire produce needs of a family of four (including neighborhood giveaways and canning).  Especially in this climate, where chard can grow to attack size and cherry tomatoes spread to the dimensions of former City Administrators.  I&#039;m currently rolling in mint, chives, zucchini, cucumbers, romas, potatoes, leeks and kale.  Plums, apples and blueberries are over - navel oranges won&#039;t be ready until at least February (late).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Trees are planted strictly in late fall.  Root growth during  the rainy months support much dry season, above-ground growth.  In our clay soils, one solid winter growing season can produce a root system that will provide for all summer water needs (except for brief periods during exceptionally hot or windy weather).  Contrary to popular belief, we have a relatively shallow water table.</p>
<p>I also must admit that my plants are the glad recipients of occasional liquid gold.  Diluted!  OK, so maybe I use more &#8220;greywater&#8221; than I thought.</p>
<p>len, may I assume you shepherd a large, resource-intensive and bio-incompatible monoculture (otherwise known as a lawn)?  While I&#8217;m on my soapbox, let me just mention that in just 60 square feet, you can easily provide the entire produce needs of a family of four (including neighborhood giveaways and canning).  Especially in this climate, where chard can grow to attack size and cherry tomatoes spread to the dimensions of former City Administrators.  I&#8217;m currently rolling in mint, chives, zucchini, cucumbers, romas, potatoes, leeks and kale.  Plums, apples and blueberries are over &#8211; navel oranges won&#8217;t be ready until at least February (late).</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: len raphael</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/big-dam-vote-today-at-east-bay-mud/2009-10-13/comment-page-1#comment-241954</link>
		<dc:creator>len raphael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 01:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.abetteroakland.com/?p=3755#comment-241954</guid>
		<description>P, you might win the oakland frugwater award. i will take the fifth about my water usage but lets just say that it ain&#039;t the appliances that make the big difference.

in the dry season, how are you watering the fruit trees?

-len</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P, you might win the oakland frugwater award. i will take the fifth about my water usage but lets just say that it ain&#8217;t the appliances that make the big difference.</p>
<p>in the dry season, how are you watering the fruit trees?</p>
<p>-len</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Patrick</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/big-dam-vote-today-at-east-bay-mud/2009-10-13/comment-page-1#comment-241943</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 16:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.abetteroakland.com/?p=3755#comment-241943</guid>
		<description>I apologize, I was mistaken.  I used 680 gallons over TWO months.  I live alone (well, the cat doesn&#039;t use much water). And I don&#039;t use a lot of greywater.  I do capture the cool water that would otherwise be wasted when waiting for hot water before dishwashing or taking a shower.  All of that water is stored in a rain barrel outside of my kitchen window and half wine barrel outside of my bathroom window, both used for the garden.  The birds seem to like it as well.  I am also at a water-use advantage because the house in which I live was purchased after foreclosure - and it was stripped to the studs.  So, I installed dual-flush Toto commodes (that use 1 gal per &quot;light&quot; flush, which is all I have ever needed), Grohe showerheads (.8 gal per minute), LG W/D (9 gal per load) and a Bosch dishwasher (4 gal per load).  I turn off the shower head while soaping up, only need to do dishes twice a week, and I do laundry about every ten days.  When it&#039;s not raining, I use my old Maytag wringer washer outside with Oasis bio-compatible detergent; wash and rinse waters go directly in the garden.  I also re-use cooking water (generally to make &quot;cold&quot; compost in my Vita-Mix). But that&#039;s the only greywater I use.  My car is pretty much cleaned by Mother Nature, although I splurge on a couple of gallons after a pigeon attack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I apologize, I was mistaken.  I used 680 gallons over TWO months.  I live alone (well, the cat doesn&#8217;t use much water). And I don&#8217;t use a lot of greywater.  I do capture the cool water that would otherwise be wasted when waiting for hot water before dishwashing or taking a shower.  All of that water is stored in a rain barrel outside of my kitchen window and half wine barrel outside of my bathroom window, both used for the garden.  The birds seem to like it as well.  I am also at a water-use advantage because the house in which I live was purchased after foreclosure &#8211; and it was stripped to the studs.  So, I installed dual-flush Toto commodes (that use 1 gal per &#8220;light&#8221; flush, which is all I have ever needed), Grohe showerheads (.8 gal per minute), LG W/D (9 gal per load) and a Bosch dishwasher (4 gal per load).  I turn off the shower head while soaping up, only need to do dishes twice a week, and I do laundry about every ten days.  When it&#8217;s not raining, I use my old Maytag wringer washer outside with Oasis bio-compatible detergent; wash and rinse waters go directly in the garden.  I also re-use cooking water (generally to make &#8220;cold&#8221; compost in my Vita-Mix). But that&#8217;s the only greywater I use.  My car is pretty much cleaned by Mother Nature, although I splurge on a couple of gallons after a pigeon attack.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: len raphael</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/big-dam-vote-today-at-east-bay-mud/2009-10-13/comment-page-1#comment-241935</link>
		<dc:creator>len raphael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 18 Oct 2009 03:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.abetteroakland.com/?p=3755#comment-241935</guid>
		<description>Patrick, are you getting 680gal per month without using greywater for all your gardening/landscapinig? w/o getting to nosy, i&#039;m assuming 2 occupants?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, are you getting 680gal per month without using greywater for all your gardening/landscapinig? w/o getting to nosy, i&#8217;m assuming 2 occupants?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: len raphael</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/big-dam-vote-today-at-east-bay-mud/2009-10-13/comment-page-1#comment-241922</link>
		<dc:creator>len raphael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 17 Oct 2009 18:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.abetteroakland.com/?p=3755#comment-241922</guid>
		<description>While there were many many bad dams built during by FDR subsequent Democrat and Republican administrations, which should be demolished now, I&#039;m not as sure as the well paid professional execs at the  Sierra Club and most of you that this is another bad dam. I&#039;m not impressed by recreational and related tourist demands for a stretch of the river that from what i understand wasn&#039;t even open to the public until several years ago.  If the main ecological damage is risk to relatively small numbers of wildlife, I&#039;d have to chose people before endangered species. If the people want to protect more endangered species, population control is needed.

For sure, the water contracts and pricing agreements in California are crazy, wildly giving away water to some farmers and denying to others. Does anyone know if that was part of what the Schwartz is trying to overhaul or are those water allocations perpetual? If perpetual, then we have to work with the fact that farming will get huge amounts of cheap water and urban areas will suffer.

It would be very costly to retrofit high density buildings with greywater systems. I would think you&#039;d have to install new water and sewer lines to utilize that greywater. We&#039;re not even maintaining the 80 year old lines we have now.

It is expensive to retrofit single family homes with greywater systems plus the users have to be very careful what they throw down the drain. Besides the plumbing costs, you have to tear into interior walls and ceilings, penetrate outer walls, dig trenches and underground storage tanks and/ord irrigation systems.

Of course EBMUD has to push private users to phase out lawns, etc. but we still need more storage capacity to get thru several consecutive dry years.

-len raphael
temescal</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While there were many many bad dams built during by FDR subsequent Democrat and Republican administrations, which should be demolished now, I&#8217;m not as sure as the well paid professional execs at the  Sierra Club and most of you that this is another bad dam. I&#8217;m not impressed by recreational and related tourist demands for a stretch of the river that from what i understand wasn&#8217;t even open to the public until several years ago.  If the main ecological damage is risk to relatively small numbers of wildlife, I&#8217;d have to chose people before endangered species. If the people want to protect more endangered species, population control is needed.</p>
<p>For sure, the water contracts and pricing agreements in California are crazy, wildly giving away water to some farmers and denying to others. Does anyone know if that was part of what the Schwartz is trying to overhaul or are those water allocations perpetual? If perpetual, then we have to work with the fact that farming will get huge amounts of cheap water and urban areas will suffer.</p>
<p>It would be very costly to retrofit high density buildings with greywater systems. I would think you&#8217;d have to install new water and sewer lines to utilize that greywater. We&#8217;re not even maintaining the 80 year old lines we have now.</p>
<p>It is expensive to retrofit single family homes with greywater systems plus the users have to be very careful what they throw down the drain. Besides the plumbing costs, you have to tear into interior walls and ceilings, penetrate outer walls, dig trenches and underground storage tanks and/ord irrigation systems.</p>
<p>Of course EBMUD has to push private users to phase out lawns, etc. but we still need more storage capacity to get thru several consecutive dry years.</p>
<p>-len raphael<br />
temescal</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: freddy</title>
		<link>http://www.abetteroakland.com/big-dam-vote-today-at-east-bay-mud/2009-10-13/comment-page-1#comment-241904</link>
		<dc:creator>freddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Oct 2009 07:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://www.abetteroakland.com/?p=3755#comment-241904</guid>
		<description>Speaking of water: yesterday a big rubber tube got dumped in Snow Park.  It has the most magical acoustic effect.  Kid tested, too.

If you were aboriginal, and very, very  large, it would make a perfect didgeridoo. If you are average size, it&#039;s like being inside a didgeridoo.

It&#039;s either water or sewage or something, 18&quot;x 300 yards or so.  If you go to one end and your buddy goes to the other, you can hear each other perfectly, like you were 5 feet away.  Cool echoes - clap.

The sign says the street is closed Oct 15-25 so get there fast; but this is Oakland so you might have until Christmas or so.  I hope nobody crawls in and gets stuck.  Especially if we&#039;re gonna be drinking the stuff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Speaking of water: yesterday a big rubber tube got dumped in Snow Park.  It has the most magical acoustic effect.  Kid tested, too.</p>
<p>If you were aboriginal, and very, very  large, it would make a perfect didgeridoo. If you are average size, it&#8217;s like being inside a didgeridoo.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s either water or sewage or something, 18&#8243;x 300 yards or so.  If you go to one end and your buddy goes to the other, you can hear each other perfectly, like you were 5 feet away.  Cool echoes &#8211; clap.</p>
<p>The sign says the street is closed Oct 15-25 so get there fast; but this is Oakland so you might have until Christmas or so.  I hope nobody crawls in and gets stuck.  Especially if we&#8217;re gonna be drinking the stuff.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>
