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	<title>Comments on: As if the robbers were gainfully employed in real estate until a few months ago</title>
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		<title>By: len raphael</title>
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		<dc:creator>len raphael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:31:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>steve lowe makes a good point that i&#039;d carry further: that us wannabe reformers are a bunch of losers at the polls, and haven&#039;t learned diddly from our june 2 defeat.

as an interim tactic, yes in the nihilist tradition, we should go back to our neighborhood blogs and talk up the kids first ballot measure. i&#039;d rather see our money spent on ineffective ngo programs for kids than for  city employees and especially managers. might even have the  salutory effect of forcing our chicken little city council to act in concert to oppose it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>steve lowe makes a good point that i&#8217;d carry further: that us wannabe reformers are a bunch of losers at the polls, and haven&#8217;t learned diddly from our june 2 defeat.</p>
<p>as an interim tactic, yes in the nihilist tradition, we should go back to our neighborhood blogs and talk up the kids first ballot measure. i&#8217;d rather see our money spent on ineffective ngo programs for kids than for  city employees and especially managers. might even have the  salutory effect of forcing our chicken little city council to act in concert to oppose it.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I also think that Farrah is raising some very interesting issues.  I remember discussing some of these with Greg Hodge at one point during the campaign.  In that case it was about white and black artists and musicians of my generation being very isolated from eachother.

The fact that non-blacks in Oakland are disengaged with black culture is depressing.  It&#039;s really depressing in my generation of white artist/bohemian types.  We&#039;re insular and incestuous.  But this is also a part of the ongoing fragmentation of subcultures in America.  The melting pot is now an hors d&#039;ouvre platter.  Lame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I also think that Farrah is raising some very interesting issues.  I remember discussing some of these with Greg Hodge at one point during the campaign.  In that case it was about white and black artists and musicians of my generation being very isolated from eachother.</p>
<p>The fact that non-blacks in Oakland are disengaged with black culture is depressing.  It&#8217;s really depressing in my generation of white artist/bohemian types.  We&#8217;re insular and incestuous.  But this is also a part of the ongoing fragmentation of subcultures in America.  The melting pot is now an hors d&#8217;ouvre platter.  Lame.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Aug 2008 01:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, 

The people who&#039;ve commented on this blog recently include:

Kerry Hamill, Rebecca Kaplan, Doug Boxer, Phil Tagami, Pat Kernighan, and a number of others far more important than you or I are to the workings of this town.  Some anonymous posters are known to me from various social encounters, and a few of them are rather important too.  There are also, I understand, a huge amount of people who read this blog but don&#039;t comment.  One person from CED once phoned me withing minutes of a post I wrote about planning.

There is certainly an ebb an flow to the relevance of this website, but it seems to coincide with seasonal politics and the amount of activity in the news.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, </p>
<p>The people who&#8217;ve commented on this blog recently include:</p>
<p>Kerry Hamill, Rebecca Kaplan, Doug Boxer, Phil Tagami, Pat Kernighan, and a number of others far more important than you or I are to the workings of this town.  Some anonymous posters are known to me from various social encounters, and a few of them are rather important too.  There are also, I understand, a huge amount of people who read this blog but don&#8217;t comment.  One person from CED once phoned me withing minutes of a post I wrote about planning.</p>
<p>There is certainly an ebb an flow to the relevance of this website, but it seems to coincide with seasonal politics and the amount of activity in the news.</p>
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		<title>By: dto510</title>
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		<dc:creator>dto510</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:48:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve, many people are working on little ways to make Oakland better, despite what you seem to think, and we get frustrated when those who could bring great change don&#039;t do anything at all to help. I cannot imagine how a year from now Dellums is going to have accomplished anything to make this blog&#039;s readers appreciative.

I thought Farrah&#039;s comment raised some interesting issues, and you asserting that the Education Task Force is already addressing them just highlights this mayor&#039;s failures. What are these &quot;programs&quot; and &quot;solutions&quot; from Dellums and the task forces that you accuse critics of &quot;undercutting&quot;? How will they be implemented, and when? Are the task forces having ongoing meetings (I hear they are not), and how are these mysterious meetings democratic?

It&#039;s been more than two years since the mayor was elected, and it&#039;s time to put up or shut up. Complaining about the last years of Jerry Brown is tired: it&#039;s past time for Mayor Dellums to deliver on his promises and responsibilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve, many people are working on little ways to make Oakland better, despite what you seem to think, and we get frustrated when those who could bring great change don&#8217;t do anything at all to help. I cannot imagine how a year from now Dellums is going to have accomplished anything to make this blog&#8217;s readers appreciative.</p>
<p>I thought Farrah&#8217;s comment raised some interesting issues, and you asserting that the Education Task Force is already addressing them just highlights this mayor&#8217;s failures. What are these &#8220;programs&#8221; and &#8220;solutions&#8221; from Dellums and the task forces that you accuse critics of &#8220;undercutting&#8221;? How will they be implemented, and when? Are the task forces having ongoing meetings (I hear they are not), and how are these mysterious meetings democratic?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s been more than two years since the mayor was elected, and it&#8217;s time to put up or shut up. Complaining about the last years of Jerry Brown is tired: it&#8217;s past time for Mayor Dellums to deliver on his promises and responsibilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Lowe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Lowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder whether this blog is having any effect, since the respondents seem to be but a handful of folks, mostly those who still feel that Ignacio or Sean should have been elected, when in fact their solutions for Oakland&#039;s huge problems had little to offer.

Ron&#039;s belief in democracy – unique among American politicians, it seems – resulted in the Task Force process, plumbing the depth of Oakland&#039;s pools of expertise and arriving at solutions that were, warts and all, a whole lot better than the top-down process of yore that has brought its citizens the Oakland of today.

Happy that, all during his stay here, Jerry refused to talk with the A&#039;s about staying on in Oakland?  Or that the august President of the Council was unable to get Jerry to the table in spite of his supposedly superior effectiveness at rolling up his sleeves?  Happy that the CED Committee can gut any group or individual who crosses it?  Happy that undercutting the Mayor&#039;s programs so that some future candidate can be Mayor maybe, come 2011?  That seems to be what most in this blog really support, as opposed to sitting down and coming up with something that has a chance of working for everyone.

Let&#039;s just take the Oakland Commerce Corporation for instance:  little or no complaints noted on this blog about CED&#039;s wish to destroy Oakland&#039;s only business retention service.  If you don&#039;t believe it, somebody please show evidence of another such service contracted to help with such a needed, indeed essential effort (and while you&#039;re at it, count up the businesses besides the A&#039;s which have left the city over the last decade because there was zero response from the Council, our former Mayor, CEDA staff, etc., a momentum that is coming to a halt under this Mayor).

Sanjiv&#039;s comments in front of Council as to exactly why OCC was being punished were right on:  it&#039;s personal between those on Council who support their pet projects and those who stood up for the Industrial Land Use Policy worked out by the Zoning Update Committee, considered by most folks to be a victory of this administration after almost eight years of being cloakroomed by the previous administration.

This time next year, earthquakes notwithstanding (and even that will be blamed on Ron), everyone on this blog, guaranteed, will be rooting for Mayor Dellums, with the probable exception of Breault.  My guess is that you&#039;ll be cheering louder if you give something positive in terms of constructive policy or projects to present to your city instead of carping because your guy didn&#039;t get even close to a majority of votes.

Love,

 - S

[With respect to Farrah&#039;s comments, who is working on the issues she addresses?  Oh, that&#039;s right, Dellums&#039; Education Task Force.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder whether this blog is having any effect, since the respondents seem to be but a handful of folks, mostly those who still feel that Ignacio or Sean should have been elected, when in fact their solutions for Oakland&#8217;s huge problems had little to offer.</p>
<p>Ron&#8217;s belief in democracy – unique among American politicians, it seems – resulted in the Task Force process, plumbing the depth of Oakland&#8217;s pools of expertise and arriving at solutions that were, warts and all, a whole lot better than the top-down process of yore that has brought its citizens the Oakland of today.</p>
<p>Happy that, all during his stay here, Jerry refused to talk with the A&#8217;s about staying on in Oakland?  Or that the august President of the Council was unable to get Jerry to the table in spite of his supposedly superior effectiveness at rolling up his sleeves?  Happy that the CED Committee can gut any group or individual who crosses it?  Happy that undercutting the Mayor&#8217;s programs so that some future candidate can be Mayor maybe, come 2011?  That seems to be what most in this blog really support, as opposed to sitting down and coming up with something that has a chance of working for everyone.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just take the Oakland Commerce Corporation for instance:  little or no complaints noted on this blog about CED&#8217;s wish to destroy Oakland&#8217;s only business retention service.  If you don&#8217;t believe it, somebody please show evidence of another such service contracted to help with such a needed, indeed essential effort (and while you&#8217;re at it, count up the businesses besides the A&#8217;s which have left the city over the last decade because there was zero response from the Council, our former Mayor, CEDA staff, etc., a momentum that is coming to a halt under this Mayor).</p>
<p>Sanjiv&#8217;s comments in front of Council as to exactly why OCC was being punished were right on:  it&#8217;s personal between those on Council who support their pet projects and those who stood up for the Industrial Land Use Policy worked out by the Zoning Update Committee, considered by most folks to be a victory of this administration after almost eight years of being cloakroomed by the previous administration.</p>
<p>This time next year, earthquakes notwithstanding (and even that will be blamed on Ron), everyone on this blog, guaranteed, will be rooting for Mayor Dellums, with the probable exception of Breault.  My guess is that you&#8217;ll be cheering louder if you give something positive in terms of constructive policy or projects to present to your city instead of carping because your guy didn&#8217;t get even close to a majority of votes.</p>
<p>Love,</p>
<p> &#8211; S</p>
<p>[With respect to Farrah's comments, who is working on the issues she addresses?  Oh, that's right, Dellums' Education Task Force.]</p>
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		<title>By: Farrah</title>
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		<dc:creator>Farrah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that this isn&#039;t just about the economy. However, I don&#039;t think that it all can be chopped up to the failings of the City or the police.  Of course we need better city leadership and better response to crime but we need to also be looking at why people commit crime.  

Since I&#039;m African American and have lived in another major city with a large African American community, I can compare the two. I&#039;m from Detroit which is also known for having issues with crime.  A big difference is that there is more support from within the community and in general for African American children and culture.  It&#039;s not that there weren&#039;t any single parents or povery, but there were better role models and a better image in general of African Americans, particularly of men. I don&#039;t feel the same thing here and it makes me sad.  In this place that is supposed to be so liberal, I hear horrible things about African Americans, particularly young Black men. For this reason, I don&#039;t think poor young African American kids in Oakland generally grow up with a positive self image.  Gangs only exacerbate the issue.  

This is in contrast to the support and love that you see for other cultures here.  People of all races attend the Chinese New Year parade and Carnaval.  People love to celebrate Day of the Dead, you&#039;ll hardly see anyone who isn&#039;t African American at Juneteenth festivals. 

So regardless of the economy (which is suffering), you still have undereducated and underemployed poor and largely of color kids with a sense of hopelessness. I think that this is the reason for a lot of the crime.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that this isn&#8217;t just about the economy. However, I don&#8217;t think that it all can be chopped up to the failings of the City or the police.  Of course we need better city leadership and better response to crime but we need to also be looking at why people commit crime.  </p>
<p>Since I&#8217;m African American and have lived in another major city with a large African American community, I can compare the two. I&#8217;m from Detroit which is also known for having issues with crime.  A big difference is that there is more support from within the community and in general for African American children and culture.  It&#8217;s not that there weren&#8217;t any single parents or povery, but there were better role models and a better image in general of African Americans, particularly of men. I don&#8217;t feel the same thing here and it makes me sad.  In this place that is supposed to be so liberal, I hear horrible things about African Americans, particularly young Black men. For this reason, I don&#8217;t think poor young African American kids in Oakland generally grow up with a positive self image.  Gangs only exacerbate the issue.  </p>
<p>This is in contrast to the support and love that you see for other cultures here.  People of all races attend the Chinese New Year parade and Carnaval.  People love to celebrate Day of the Dead, you&#8217;ll hardly see anyone who isn&#8217;t African American at Juneteenth festivals. </p>
<p>So regardless of the economy (which is suffering), you still have undereducated and underemployed poor and largely of color kids with a sense of hopelessness. I think that this is the reason for a lot of the crime.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, do you mean to tell me that we don&#039;t prosecute illegal gun possession rigorously here?  Anybody at the DA&#039;s office or OPD reading?  now&#039;s the time to chime in anonymously and tell us what the sentences average for someone in Oakland who carries illegally in public...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, do you mean to tell me that we don&#8217;t prosecute illegal gun possession rigorously here?  Anybody at the DA&#8217;s office or OPD reading?  now&#8217;s the time to chime in anonymously and tell us what the sentences average for someone in Oakland who carries illegally in public&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 05:12:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There was an article in the Wall Street Journal last week about how Richmond, VA has decreased their gun violence by prosecuting even minor gun crimes.  It made me wonder whether anyone in our city government looks into how other cities deal with similar problems.  

Check it out:  http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121789872887012221.html

If I were Dellums, I’d be on a plane to VA tomorrow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There was an article in the Wall Street Journal last week about how Richmond, VA has decreased their gun violence by prosecuting even minor gun crimes.  It made me wonder whether anyone in our city government looks into how other cities deal with similar problems.  </p>
<p>Check it out:  <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121789872887012221.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121789872887012221.html</a></p>
<p>If I were Dellums, I’d be on a plane to VA tomorrow.</p>
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		<title>By: Max Allstadt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max Allstadt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:55:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>exactly.

people don&#039;t go on restaurant takeover robbery sprees in places like Texas because the sprees don&#039;t last very long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>exactly.</p>
<p>people don&#8217;t go on restaurant takeover robbery sprees in places like Texas because the sprees don&#8217;t last very long.</p>
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		<title>By: Born in Oakland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Born in Oakland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Aug 2008 03:44:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two of the liquor store counter people pulled guns out and shot the robbers.  One of those happened in my neighborhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two of the liquor store counter people pulled guns out and shot the robbers.  One of those happened in my neighborhood.</p>
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